rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 f***. Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika Don Fehr: It's not positive. We were advised in a voice mail message that the moves the players made were not acceptable. Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC Fehr: we were advised that moves were not acceptable Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika Don Fehr: No reason to stay for meetings tonight or tomorrow. They will be in touch. Something is off the table. Not sure what it means. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chances14 227 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 what a gong show Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted December 7, 2012 No deal in immediate future- Fehr lawl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevieisthebest 80 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 f***. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 This isf****** stupid. Why is the PA tabling an offer unacceptable? It was so bad that talks are now broken off? Hey NHL? Want to really piss off your customers? You just did. Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun Fehr says NHL left a voicemail message saying NHLPA counter wasn't acceptable. No need to stick around today or Friday. Talks broken for now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 So much for that. Lebrun: http://vaderno.ytmnd.com/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 unbelievable. I've seen thirteen year olds have more mature and productive communication than this. 1 Nightfall reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 Absolutef****** FARCE. You know what's "not acceptable" NHL? That we're even in this situation to begin with. f*** YOU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chances14 227 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) either fehr pissed of the moderates owners so much that these negotiations are going back into the hands of the hardliners or fehr really put some pr spin on his proposal. Edited December 7, 2012 by chances14 1 hillbillywingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) If we are going back to a stale mate and sitting around waiting for news that they might talk and might figure out how the f*ck to play hockey at some point this decade...I'm done. Another round of the owners demanding their way or the highway and rejecting an offer in an insignificant amount of time. Anyone still backing the owners? They got their money and a limit on contracts. What's your argument now? Sorry. I'm pissed and venting at my fellow Red Wing Nation. But this is beyond comprehensible anymore. Anyone want to buy some jerseys? Edited December 7, 2012 by rrasco Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chances14 227 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) If we are going back to a stale mate and sitting around waiting for news that they might talk and might figure out how the f*ck to play hockey at some point this decade...I'm done. Another round of the owners demanding their way or the highway and rejecting an offer in an insignificant amount of time. Anyone still backing the owners? They got their money and a limit on contracts. What's your argument now? like i said in a post just before this news broke, the devil is always in the details. i'm willing to guess the latest pa proposal isn't nearly as good as it seems. need to hear the nhl's response before coming to a conclusion Edited December 7, 2012 by chances14 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevieisthebest 80 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 Should have seen this coming, Fehr wouldn't have been the guy to announce an agreement anyway would he? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 And I'm still watching....God I hate that I need this. Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC hang on: Bettman and Daly to address media shortly Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun Bettman and Daly to address media shortly within half hour Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika S. Fehr: Sides still should be close to a deal. It's an up and down process. Try to keep an even keel. Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika Bettman, Daly coming to hotel for press conference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 During the last lockout, there were moments when it looked like the season was saved, and then nothing happened. I expect as much with these idiots. This league is more inept than the XFL. 1 Nightfall reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 Should have seen this coming, Fehr wouldn't have been the guy to announce an agreement anyway would he? My initial thought was they would make the announcement together. But then we would all know. I also wouldn't put it past either of the headmasters to jump the gun and get on the podium to be 'the one' to break the good news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 And I'm still watching....God I hate that I need this. No kidding. I think I'm in an abusive relationship with the NHL. Fehr has had his doomsday speech, then cue Bettman whining about not having a willing negotiating partner and we're back right where we started. again. and again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crashnburnluder 385 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 is there anywhere to watch all of this bulls*** go down? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 is there anywhere to watch all of this bulls*** go down? My nightmares. 1 stevieisthebest reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 No kidding. I think I'm in an abusive relationship with the NHL. Fehr has had his doomsday speech, then cue Bettman whining about not having a willing negotiating partner and we're back right where we started. again. and again. I think so too. Either one of these guys won't let the other one come out and address the media alone, they need to get the last word in. And on that note, I'm having Twitter problems again. Happened when I tried to go to Commie's feed this time. He had impeccable timing of asking how everyone was tonight, literally 2 minutes after the rejections news broke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) I think so too. Either one of these guys won't let the other one come out and address the media alone, they need to get the last word in. And on that note, I'm having Twitter problems again. Happened when I tried to go to Commie's feed this time. He had impeccable timing of asking how everyone was tonight, literally 2 minutes after the rejections news broke. This is about all he said after, in regards to the nhl.... Mike Commodore @commie22 The NHL didn't just break of talks via voicemail did they? I must be reading these tweets wrong. Did we just get #dumped? Edited December 7, 2012 by amato Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 Mike Commodore @commie22 The NHL didn't just break of talks via voicemail did they? I must be reading these tweets wrong. Did we just get #dumped? It seems fitting somehow. They probably notified the players of the work stoppage in September by changing their facebook status to "locked out." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 It seems fitting somehow. They probably notified the players of the work stoppage in September by changing their facebook status to "locked out." haha right?! wouldn't be surprised.... that's about as professional as negotiations have been at times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 I got back in. Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun Bettman and Daly are here addressing media now Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika Bettman: Week has been an emotional roller coaster. Put in process we hoped would move things along. Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika Bettman: A lot of optimism and hope after Tuesday meeting. Reported that to BOG on Wednesday. Almost inexplicably disappeared Wed afternoon. Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika Bettman: The key for all of us, particularly the owners, was to have a long-term deal. That's what fans, game, players, partners deserve. Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika Bettman: New owners wanted to do something bold. Put more money on table to show we want to play. Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika Bettman: Union's response was "shockingly silent." The owners were "beside themselves." Some of them I had never seen that emotional. Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika Bettman: Owners said union "clearly doesn't want to make a deal." Players wanted to get back on track. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 You spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round round round... 1 roboginger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted December 7, 2012 Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika Bettman: Players made pension plan key element, after making make-whole and contracting elements key elements in past. Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika Bettman: Owners outlined what key elements they needed in exchange for pension plan, so they were expecting yes or no. Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika Bettman: It wasn't intended to be a negotiating session. Answer wasn't "yes." Frank Seravalli @DNFlyers Gary Bettman appears visibly rattled. Understandably so. Season is in serious peril. Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC Owners said there were three things we had to have and we'll make it work on pensions. Needed them to make it. Needed a yes or a no. Mike Commodore @commie22 Gary "Hi Mike its Gary..things just aren't working out between us...its not you its me...we can't be together anymore, bye" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites