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#1641 sleepwalker

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:50 PM

oh my...When I say it's both sides I mean nhlpa AND bettmans fault...I don 't like either side...I don't stand closer to either side meaning I'm not going to do like "some" on here and say it's all bettmans and the owners fault . that doesn't mean that I'm all in on saying it's the nhlpa's fault either.


OK, fair enough. Almost everything I have seen you say up to this point though has been pro-league and anti-union/Fehr, so you can't blame me for thinking that.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:00 PM

OK, fair enough. Almost everything I have seen you say up to this point though has been pro-league and anti-union/Fehr, so you can't blame me for thinking that.

Well I understand that but thats what happens when you have a discussion like this and have many saying that it is all Bettmans fault. I'm not really one to go with a trend just because someone comes up with a clever name for Bettman but I know that it does suck that we have had to go through this 3 times with him but im also not going to say it has been all his and the owners fault either.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:06 PM

Everyone, please remember that this thread is for discussion of the lockout, meetings, etc. pointing out each other's posting style and viewpoints in a "gotcha" game isn't exactly staying on topic.


Quoted as another reminder.

When Jedi says to stay on topic about the lockout, that doesn't mean take your parting shots.

Talk about the lockout and discuss the issues. Discuss the points people have made in their posts and not the people themselves. Discussions about who's on what side and what arguments they've made and anything along those lines will be deleted.

It's really that simple.

I've deleted some posts and edited a few that were mostly on topic. Please don't make me clean up threads when there's not even any hockey. Any future posts that go even partially off topic will be deleted entirely, even the on-topic portion.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:40 PM

I know that shop.nhl.com sells all kinds of merchandise with the names of players on the back.
I don't recall ever seeing an "Official Gary Bettman Three-piece Suit" being for sale.


That's interesting because I know shop.nhl.com sells all kinds of merchandise with team logos on the front. I don't recall ever seeing a player that owned a team before.

Good try though.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:02 PM

tsn guys on what to expect in meetings tomorrow

http://watch.tsn.ca/...0858#clip810858

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:17 AM

I am optimistic the NHLPA will come with a linked proposal, something like this:

Year 1: 57.0%
Year 2: 55.1%
Year 3: 53.1%
Year 4: 52.0%
Year 5: 51.2%

Based on 5% revenue growth annually + keeping old contracts at 57% value.

If there is revenue growth the fans deserve a lockout when the new CBA expires

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:15 AM

If there is revenue growth the fans deserve a lockout when the new CBA expires


I hardly see a revenue grow, sponsors are pissed off so are fans, second lockout in 8 years and on top of that even the hotbed media in Toronto and Montreal stopped caring, this time it is really different compared to 2004/5.

The NHL will be lucky to see 3,3 billion revenue after 5 years again, it will take a loooong time to recover (if it ever does).

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:34 AM

I hardly see a revenue grow, sponsors are pissed off so are fans, second lockout in 8 years and on top of that even the hotbed media in Toronto and Montreal stopped caring, this time it is really different compared to 2004/5.

The NHL will be lucky to see 3,3 billion revenue after 5 years again, it will take a loooong time to recover (if it ever does).

I hope you're right. Not to punish anyone but to save the game of hockey from the worst thing to ever happen to it. If there is a significant decline in revenue Bettman should get fired.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:11 AM

I hope you're right. Not to punish anyone but to save the game of hockey from the worst thing to ever happen to it. If there is a significant decline in revenue Bettman should get fired.

I hope you're right. Not to punish anyone but to save the game of hockey from the worst thing to ever happen to it. If there is a significant decline in revenue Bettman should get fired.


More so for everyone to give their heads a shake and realize where "their money" comes from, and how easily it can disappear!

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:14 AM

More so for everyone to give their heads a shake and realize where "their money" comes from, and how easily it can disappear!


Exactly, maybe this will be the best thing coming out of the lockout a dose of reality check for the holy NHL..........

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:50 AM

That's interesting because I know shop.nhl.com sells all kinds of merchandise with team logos on the front. I don't recall ever seeing a player that owned a team before.

Good try though.


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#1652 Pskov Wings Fan

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:00 AM

That's interesting because I know shop.nhl.com sells all kinds of merchandise with team logos on the front. I don't recall ever seeing a player that owned a team before.

Good try though.


It goes both ways. So people follow teams, others follow players. For example, somebody might buy Red Wings jersey for the logo on the front, but somebody else for the number 13 and Datsyuk's name on the back.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:25 AM

That's interesting because I know shop.nhl.com sells all kinds of merchandise with team logos on the front. I don't recall ever seeing a player that owned a team before.

Good try though.

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He is an owner. He is a player. He is also a locked-out NHL player, a dues-paying member of a union – the NHL Players' Association – in a labor battle with owners. That creates a unique situation in Kladno, and that gives Jagr a unique perspective on the NHL lockout.




Kevin McGran with the Toronto Star has an article out highlighting the issues in the CBA negotiations that have been agreed upon, close to agreement, and are still under discussion.

I believe most of the issues they've agreed on, or are close to agreement, have been covered here already. But I thought this one was particularly intriguing, and I hadn't seen it mentioned...

The Star has learned that the day free agents can talk to teams is expected to move from July 1 to mid- to late June. Various ideas had been proposed to get the day away from the holiday, including July 10 and Aug. 1. One strong idea has the market opening June 15, or 48 hours after the Stanley Cup is awarded — whichever is later — with no deals finalized until July 1.


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#1654 Jedi

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:36 AM

A few tweets about the meetings, which should be underway by now. Too many individual tweets to link to, so I'm just linking to the source...

NHLPA

Players in NYC for CBA bargaining meetings today: Adam Burish, Chris Campoli, Dan Cleary, Mathieu Darche, Ron Hainsey, Shawn Horcoff Kevin Shattenkirk, Andy McDonald, (and) Dan Winnik.


Aaron Ward

In NYC for CBA meetings. Early indication,NHLPA has made a significant move in the direction of the owners.


Bob McKenzie

We're hearing today's NHLPA proposal to NHL will include increasing the NHL's $211M Make Whole provision by another $180M.


We're also hearing the NHLPA proposal will work off a percentage of HRR -- as requested by NHL -- and not a guaranteed dollar amount.


But what those percentages are, and whether the $180M increase in Make Whole acts as a guarantee of sorts, remains to be seen.



Darren Dreger

Players move off guaranteed dollars is a big move in the owners direction. Interested to hear NHL response to PA's ask for more Make Whole $


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:40 AM

Most of my comments have been pointing out the fact that it's not all poo poo head bettmans fault.

Hockey players are innately stupider and greedier than other athletes forcing Bettman to lock them out every time the CBA expires

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:31 AM

Aaron Ward's reporting that the CBA meeting is over for the morning. Fehr's addressing the media currently. The meeting only lasted about an hour. Fehr says the two sides will reconvene at 1pm EST.

Chris Johnston with the Canadian Press...

Donald Fehr says new proposal is "about as good we can do."


Donald Fehr says sides are $182 million apart over the five-year deal.


The NHLPA expects a response from the NHL on the new proposal this afternoon.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:44 AM

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Yeah, that's a fairly significant oversight on my part. He voted for the lockout though, so my point is still the same.

It goes both ways. So people follow teams, others follow players. For example, somebody might buy Red Wings jersey for the logo on the front, but somebody else for the number 13 and Datsyuk's name on the back.


That wasn't the point I was making at all.

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#1658 Jedi

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:08 PM

Interesting tidbit from Dreger...

Fehr wouldn't confirm he was pushed to change PA's position in proposal, but, told he and hardliners had to be convinced to move.


And Brad Richards sent LeBrun a text, saying...

NYR star B. Richards via text on PA proposal: "It is a move in their direction again and based off of their proposal. There has to an effort from them to get this done now."


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#1659 rrasco

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:54 PM

Thanks for the updates Jedi. Even though I'm sick of reading about the lockout in general.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:56 PM


NHL superstar Sidney Crosby uttered the words hockey fans have been waiting months to hear.

"We're making a move in their direction, so I don't see why they wouldn't consider it," Crosby told Shelly Anderson, who covers the Penguins for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Wednesday morning.


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