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#1921 Echolalia

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 12:17 PM

I'm just worried that even if both sides are willing, it will still not be feasible to not cancel the rest of the games in December as it takes time to work out the many minor details of a CBA after the major hurdles are overcome.


My girlfriend bought a couple tickets for us to go to a Grand Rapid Griffins game at the end of the year. I'm selfishly hoping that the lockout isn't resolved by then, so I can see Brendan Smith and Nyqvist (as they are really the main reason she bought the tickets). But I also don't want the NHL season to be cancelled entirely, so there's a very fine range of dates I'm rooting for.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 12:20 PM

Aaron Ward tweeting what can only be good news, if true...

Reason for optimism, NHL plans to relent on player contracting issues. Player contract length still remains important to the league.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:02 PM

^ Maybe I'm outta the loop here, but personally if I were a player - I'd accept a 5 year max on contract length.

I could be wrong, but from what I've seen the vast majority of players get 2 to 4 year deals; only "star" calibre players get the 5 plus years.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:07 PM

Side note.....

Anyone else feel whatever was gained yesterday between the owners/players might be lost today courtesy of Bettman/Daly/Fehr?

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:12 PM

I'm seeing tweets mentioning that Nick Kypreos is hearing rumors of coaches contacting players, advising them to be ready for a December 14th training camp date.

Since they're rumors only, they're not worth linking to the actual tweets. But it will be interesting to see if some of the more reputable pundits & bloggers start to pick up on this, or get new information of their own regarding this.

In any case, don't hold your breath, but there might be reason to be cautiously optimistic...

^ Maybe I'm outta the loop here, but personally if I were a player - I'd accept a 5 year max on contract length.

I could be wrong, but from what I've seen the vast majority of players get 2 to 4 year deals; only "star" calibre players get the 5 plus years.


I think some kind of limit on contract length is perfectly reasonable, and the PA should agree to that. The league really overreached with their initial contracting restriction demands, but if they back off some on those, they could probably get the PA to agree to length and year-to-year salary variation limits.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:22 PM

^ Maybe I'm outta the loop here, but personally if I were a player - I'd accept a 5 year max on contract length.

I could be wrong, but from what I've seen the vast majority of players get 2 to 4 year deals; only "star" calibre players get the 5 plus years.

I think they need limits for sure, but the owners could make a relatively painless concession by giving them a bit more long term job security of something like 7 years while still including the 5% back diving restriction.

Plus it seems like being able to afford longer term contracts could give a competitive edge to more financially successful franchises like the Wings.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:34 PM

I think they need limits for sure, but the owners could make a relatively painless concession by giving them a bit more long term job security of something like 7 years while still including the 5% back diving restriction.

Plus it seems like being able to afford longer term contracts could give a competitive edge to more financially successful franchises like the Wings.


i think i read somewhere that the nhl's insurance company only covers a player's contract for the first 5 years. i would assume that's where they got the magical number of 5. what's kind of funny though is that the majority of players never end up signing a contract that is more than 5 years in length during their career

also saw this on twitter

Iain MacIntyre@imacVanSun
Sportsnet's Nick Kypreos says some coaches are calling players to tell them to be ready for imminent return. #CBA


Edited by chances14, 05 December 2012 - 01:36 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:39 PM

In terms of comments around games lost through to the end of the month....I'm not so sure. If they get traction, they can literally get to agreement in principle in a matter of a day or two. Drafting legal documentation will take longer, but that won't hold up getting training camps underway, etc. They'd probably have a 1 week camp and then games would start. Not impossible to have games starting sometime between the 15-20th.

That said....getting way ahead of ourselves, things could go off the rails pretty quickly.... I think today will be very important as it will include input from whatever happend at the BOG meeting.

i think i read somewhere that the nhl's insurance company only covers a player's contract for the first 5 years. i would assume that's where they got the magical number of 5. what's kind of funny though is that the majority of players never end up signing a contract that is more than 5 years in length during their career

also saw this on twitter

Anyone listen to Hockey Central today? Nick certainly isn't tweeting this. Hard to believe the coaches would be doing this. They wouldn't be in any better of a position to know anything than most others. Not sure why anyone would reach out to the coaches and suggest they start getting ready either, doesn't make sense.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:47 PM

Until I see an announcement the NHL is a rumor lol

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:55 PM

Anyone listen to Hockey Central today? Nick certainly isn't tweeting this. Hard to believe the coaches would be doing this. They wouldn't be in any better of a position to know anything than most others. Not sure why anyone would reach out to the coaches and suggest they start getting ready either, doesn't make sense.


i didn't make sense to me either

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:01 PM

I'm seeing tweets mentioning that Nick Kypreos is hearing rumors of coaches contacting players, advising them to be ready for a December 14th training camp date.

Since they're rumors only, they're not worth linking to the actual tweets. But it will be interesting to see if some of the more reputable pundits & bloggers start to pick up on this, or get new information of their own regarding this.

In any case, don't hold your breath, but there might be reason to be cautiously optimistic...


Even though I am a bit apprehensive about it, reading that gave me chills. I have a feeling about it this time.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:16 PM

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:51 PM

http://blogs.edmonto...k-kypreos-says/

“Apparently Gary is ready to get a deal done,” Kypreos said. “He wants this thing done Friday. Friday!”

On Sportsnet’s Hockey Central show, Kypreos debated the issues withtwo other NHL insiders, former NHL GM Doug MacLean and sportscaster Daren Millard.

MacLean said that six weeks ago, he heard the NHL’s position, that “it is knock ‘em down, drag ‘em out until December 1st, and then at December 1st we’re getting a deal done.”


I didn't think I could be this excited about hockey starting 3 months late.

Edited by rrasco, 05 December 2012 - 02:50 PM.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:01 PM

I didn't think I could be this excited about hockey starting 3 months late.


I'm withholding any excitement, for 2 reasons. 1 - Waiting to see more than just Kyp/Mac to pick up on this emerging trend. And 2 - We've been even closer to a deal with the '04/05 lockout, just to see the whole thing come crashing down.

It's encouraging to hear more positive reports than negative, though, for sure.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:16 PM

wait what???

Shocking Update #CBA meetings. The owner said to have been the most helpful to players in the meetings. Not who most have assumed! (cont.)

Yes Ron Burkle has been a voice of reason but the answer is and most people won't believe it but it is true.......JEREMY JACOBS


https://twitter.com/brianlawton9/


some more good news

Tim Panaccio@tpanotchCSN
confirmed: BOG talked of 50/60 games; leaning < 60 ... guvs "feeling very positive." Another good sign: no 'drop dead' date was discussed


Edited by chances14, 05 December 2012 - 03:18 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:35 PM

I'm withholding any excitement, for 2 reasons. 1 - Waiting to see more than just Kyp/Mac to pick up on this emerging trend. And 2 - We've been even closer to a deal with the '04/05 lockout, just to see the whole thing come crashing down.

It's encouraging to hear more positive reports than negative, though, for sure.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:14 PM

wait what???



https://twitter.com/brianlawton9/


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This is the most surprising post I have seen since the lockout began, Jacobs is the most helpful towards the players? This is a sick joke, there is no deal to be made they are just messing with us lol.

Seriously though, if they do not get a deal done from this, the season will be cancelled, guaranteed. This is make it or break it time. On a side note I refuse to purchase any merchandise, and tickets for as long as this lockout has lasted. So far they have lost my money for the rest of the season

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:22 PM

On a side note I refuse to purchase any merchandise, and tickets for as long as this lockout has lasted. So far they have lost my money for the rest of the season

Huh? I don't see how the math works there.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:31 PM

Huh? I don't see how the math works there.


If I'm not mistaken.. He means as long as the lockout has lasted (in days), he won't purchase anything from the NHL for that amount of time after it resumes.. Sort of a personal vendetta against the NHL.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:38 PM

If I'm not mistaken.. He means as long as the lockout has lasted (in days), he won't purchase anything from the NHL for that amount of time after it resumes.. Sort of a personal vendetta against the NHL.

Yes, I get that....but, we've only missed about 60 days of NHL regular season so far. If they start up tomorrow (I know, not possible, but for sake of illustration)...60 days from now would be early February. How does he get to not purchasing anything for the rest of the season?





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