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#21 number9

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 03:25 PM

How can Ovi stay in the KHL when he has that monster of a contract? Will Dynamo buy it out?


Can't he just bail on it? I know the NHL and KHL have signed agreements to respect each others contracts but they still don't really follow that.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 04:34 PM

He is contracted to play for the Caps in exchange for 9.7 mil. (IIRC) per year. If the Caps won't pay him the agreed salary, why should he be bound by the contract?

Can't he just bail on it? I know the NHL and KHL have signed agreements to respect each others contracts but they still don't really follow that.


Maybe, but I doubt it's that simple. A contract is usually a complicated thingy which has to be respected by both parties. Makes me wonder.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:04 PM

Maybe, but I doubt it's that simple. A contract is usually a complicated thingy which has to be respected by both parties. Makes me wonder.


It is difficult to enforce US contract in Russia. If Ovechkin liquidates all his US assets prior to bailing then I really do not see how Capitals can get anything out of him. But I do not think he will shut the door on NHL at this point in his career. Maybe later.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:00 PM

Hockey players tend to have egos as big as their appetite for cash. As long as the NHL is the most competitive and historic league, they will come back to establish their legacy. Sure it's nice to get paid a competitive salary and be at home, but no one will ever give them props for being one of the greatest while they are in the KHL. They are mad and irrational like us fans, but they'll march right back when things are worked out like us too.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:40 AM

How many players went to the KHL and ended up back?
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 02:02 PM

The same sentiment was expressed by Bryzgalov recently. So given the credibility of the sources, I'd say it's safe to say that this position is CONFIRMED with a hard "C". I'm sure Bryz and Hank can think of hundreds of reasons why Russians would stay in a piss poor league for roughly 60% of what they make now.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:25 PM

Just shows you how fed up the players really are, guys like Hank don't come up with such statements usually.

I am sure some are close and ready to put the CBA into question and rightfully so.

If some teams don't or can't spend who cares why punish those who will and can? I want to see a team like the 2002 Wings again superteams are more entertaining than this boring forced parity crap leading into lockout after lockout as long as the midget is going to be the NHL fiddle I mean commissioner.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:19 PM

KHL is not as good as the NHL, but is ways better than AHL or any other league.
And a salary that's 60% of NHL is actually a net after taxes. If you take into account all the federal ,state, and local taxes that the NHL players pay, the salaries are actually about equal. And they can play at home and will have no problem getting permission to play at the Worlds and the Olympics.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:09 PM

KHL is not as good as the NHL, but is ways better than AHL or any other league.
And a salary that's 60% of NHL is actually a net after taxes. If you take into account all the federal ,state, and local taxes that the NHL players pay, the salaries are actually about equal. And they can play at home and will have no problem getting permission to play at the Worlds and the Olympics.


i'm not sure about that. the IIHF can bar players from the olympics. it's a murky area and would be very interesting if a player like ovechkin decided to stay in the KHL after the lockout is over

http://hfboards.hock...d.php?t=1268635

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:52 AM

i'm not sure about that. the IIHF can bar players from the olympics. it's a murky area and would be very interesting if a player like ovechkin decided to stay in the KHL after the lockout is over

http://hfboards.hock...d.php?t=1268635

Whatever the IIHF policy is, I have really hard time imagining the IIHF barring Russian stars from playing in Sochi (Russia) Olympics. The Russian hockey federation will have a very strong position as a host. I just don't see the IIHF messing with them on this issue.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 06:47 PM

There is n o way the IIHF would do that, they perfectly know how big the olympics are for hockey.



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Posted 14 October 2012 - 07:01 PM

I think Z, and the rest of the players, are just and frustrated with the situation. They'll be back.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:45 PM

I think Z, and the rest of the players, are just and frustrated with the situation. They'll be back.

If I was one of them, I wouldn't until Bettman is gone

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:59 PM

I think Z, and the rest of the players, are just and frustrated with the situation. They'll be back.


Agreed. There's a reason they're all playing here in the first place. I assume it has to be a combination of the inordinately large amount of money they make, paired with the fact that they don't have to live in a country which ranks just below Belarus (the last remaining dictatorship in Europe) on the UN's human development index. Then again, its pretty clear that some people think Bettman is much worse than crime, poor institutions, flawed democracy, and abject poverty. Priorities!

Edited by kipwinger, 15 October 2012 - 02:08 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:20 PM

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:34 PM

KHL is not as good as the NHL, but is ways better than AHL or any other league.

This is stated as a fact, but what is it based on? Not saying I disagree necessarily, but not sure I'd say it's the best league outside the NHL either....hard to say. It probably pays the most in an attempt to lure players, but does that make it a good league?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:39 PM

Whatever the IIHF policy is, I have really hard time imagining the IIHF barring Russian stars from playing in Sochi (Russia) Olympics. The Russian hockey federation will have a very strong position as a host. I just don't see the IIHF messing with them on this issue.


depends. does the IIHF want to buttheads with the NHL on russian players that breach their contracts. remember the nhl can just say f you to the olympics and not allow any of its players to play. then it would be the russian players against 3rd rate competition.

i hope one of these russians players stays over there so we can see how it plays out (not datsyuk obviously).

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 07:21 PM

It is difficult to enforce US contract in Russia. If Ovechkin liquidates all his US assets prior to bailing then I really do not see how Capitals can get anything out of him. But I do not think he will shut the door on NHL at this point in his career. Maybe later.

I think the owners are trying to break those contracts. I don't think they will be legally binding any more

depends. does the IIHF want to buttheads with the NHL on russian players that breach their contracts. remember the nhl can just say f you to the olympics and not allow any of its players to play. then it would be the russian players against 3rd rate competition.

i hope one of these russians players stays over there so we can see how it plays out (not datsyuk obviously).

The owners are trying to breach those contracts.
I hope some of them stay there too. I would.
Unless I was Datsyuk

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:23 PM

The owners are trying to breach those contracts.

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i'm talking about when the lockout is over and their contracts are in effect again

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:46 AM

This is stated as a fact, but what is it based on? Not saying I disagree necessarily, but not sure I'd say it's the best league outside the NHL either....hard to say. It probably pays the most in an attempt to lure players, but does that make it a good league?

Based on my personal impressions from watching NHL, KHL, AHL, Czech league and Swedish league. And I have been watching hockey for about 40 years now, so I have some basis for comparison.

depends. does the IIHF want to buttheads with the NHL on russian players that breach their contracts. remember the nhl can just say f you to the olympics and not allow any of its players to play. then it would be the russian players against 3rd rate competition.

i hope one of these russians players stays over there so we can see how it plays out (not datsyuk obviously).

It's a fair point. One thing to kep in mind, it seems that the emotional value of Olympic participation to the players is very high, much higher than any costs the owners incur because of the Olympic stoppage. So it is likely that the Olympic participation will be included in the new CBA, as it costs the owners little as a concession, and means a lot to the players.

Edited by sibiriak, 16 October 2012 - 07:42 AM.






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