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#41 RippedOnNitro

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 08:53 AM

I wouldn't want to see the entire season cancelled, but if it were to happen...I would want to see both Bettman and Fehr canned!
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 09:40 AM

I am absolutely shocked at the poll results thus far. I could care less about Bettman. Sure, he's not very likeable, I can't stand the guy, but he really has little impact on me. I'd sign him to a 20 year contract if it meant I could start watching NHL hockey again tomorrow.

Would be nice to see a new person come in, but I'd be willing to bet that we would all start to form some hatred for that person as well....maybe a little less so though. I'm not sure it would have a signficant impact on lockouts vs. no lockouts though as that is really the owners decision. I know some will reference the fact that there needs to be 22 votes to overturn vs. what you would expect (15), but I'd bet you'd still seem the signficant power from a signficant vew owners.

What I'd be more interested in seeing is a replacement of the chairman of the Board (i.e. get rid of Jacobs).

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 09:53 AM

The amount of people that voted yes is outrageous.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:04 AM

The amount of people that voted yes is outrageous.

Didn't you get the memo?

Bettman is entirely at fault for the lockout.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:23 PM

I would give up my left nut

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:34 PM

The amount of people that voted yes is outrageous.

The numbers here are even more staggering
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:42 PM

The amount of people that voted yes is outrageous.


it just shows you how well the PA has played the pr battle

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 04:03 PM

it just shows you how well the PA has played the pr battle

I'm basing it more on the sum total of his career than any PR attempts by Fehr.

3 CBA negotiations. 3 lockouts.

1st major North American pro sport to lose a season due to a labor dispute. Other leagues have similar issues and problems but have managed to solve them without losing an entire season.

1,780 games lost to lockout under his watch and counting. That is by far more than any of the big pro sports.

How is that not a failure? The NHL commissioner is not just a shill for ownership, part of his job is to protect the integrity and public confidence in the league. The commissioners of other leagues have to deal with owners just like Bettman does.

7 years after losing an entire season to implement a hard cap, with an increase in revenue of 50% since the last CBA, there's no way there should be a lockout right now. Bettman and his hardliners want too much too fast. And unlike in 1995, the owners aren't going to be able to overrule him and salvage the season.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 04:28 PM

I'm soooo in for losing another season to get rid of Bettman! Honestly I don't care how long it goes, just as long as he's gone, because I don't know how much longer I can watch hockey with him as commish anyway.

As mentioned in another discussion, I think the main goal, players and even some of the owners, is to get rid of the guy. With only 8 owners (well 7 now, since the league owns Phoenix) needing to agree with Bettman to get what he wants, the guy has way to much control. It's time to move on.

And unlike in 1995, the owners aren't going to be able to overrule him and salvage the season.

That's why I think Fehr has been brought in by the players and some of the owners, is to take him down.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 04:47 PM

So 70% of you are insane... Pretty shocked by these poll results

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 05:42 PM

So 70% of you are insane... Pretty shocked by these poll results

Better to get it over with now than have another lockout when the new CBA expires

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 06:23 PM

I'm basing it more on the sum total of his career than any PR attempts by Fehr.

3 CBA negotiations. 3 lockouts.

1st major North American pro sport to lose a season due to a labor dispute. Other leagues have similar issues and problems but have managed to solve them without losing an entire season.

1,780 games lost to lockout under his watch and counting. That is by far more than any of the big pro sports.

How is that not a failure? The NHL commissioner is not just a shill for ownership, part of his job is to protect the integrity and public confidence in the league. The commissioners of other leagues have to deal with owners just like Bettman does.

7 years after losing an entire season to implement a hard cap, with an increase in revenue of 50% since the last CBA, there's no way there should be a lockout right now. Bettman and his hardliners want too much too fast. And unlike in 1995, the owners aren't going to be able to overrule him and salvage the season.

Dead on. Anyone who doesn't realize this has blinders on.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 07:22 PM

So 70% of you are insane... Pretty shocked by these poll results


Season is toast anyway. What's insane about wanting the source of another lockout gone?
 
 
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 07:57 PM

So 70% of you are insane... Pretty shocked by these poll results


So instead of adding anything worthwile, you're just insulting other people?

Most of the according to you insane people gave great reasons why they have voted yes.

Like others said the season could be toast so at least make it worth it. Midget needs to go so do some of his stupid expansion franchises.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 08:12 PM

Problem is we cannot assume a new commissioner won't just pick up where uncle gary left off

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 08:24 PM

Problem is we cannot assume a new commissioner won't just pick up where uncle gary left off

Thats the key right here. The owners locked out the players, not Gary. Who is to say that the owners won't lockout the players again?

I know people like to point at Gary and say he caused a lost season and 3 lockouts in the last 3 CBA negotiations. The fact of the matter is that the owners did this, not Gary. The ownership will need to change hands first. Even then, the new head of the owners will still be doing what the ownership recommends.

We need uniters in these positions though, so I will agree that Fehr and Bettman are not uniters. They both do need to be fired, but i don't agree that will be best for the NHL as a whole. The next people could be worse.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 08:32 PM

Sure the next guy will do what some owners want but it could be a fresh start. Whos to say the players are against sticking it to him? He is by far the most hated person in hockey.

Hell I Think even Stern could do a better job than him. Fehr has despite late starts to the negotiations done nothing wrong, he provided solutions.

What we need are two sides that aren't trying to screw over the other side and this is exactly why the first owner proposal IS a such a big deal.

Lose this and another season so the midget can get fired to me is worth it.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 08:35 PM

So 70% of you are insane... Pretty shocked by these poll results


I voted yes, but the voices in my head have explained to me that I am not insane.

I am absolutely shocked at the poll results thus far. I could care less about Bettman. Sure, he's not very likeable, I can't stand the guy, but he really has little impact on me. I'd sign him to a 20 year contract if it meant I could start watching NHL hockey again tomorrow.

Would be nice to see a new person come in, but I'd be willing to bet that we would all start to form some hatred for that person as well....maybe a little less so though. I'm not sure it would have a signficant impact on lockouts vs. no lockouts though as that is really the owners decision. I know some will reference the fact that there needs to be 22 votes to overturn vs. what you would expect (15), but I'd bet you'd still seem the signficant power from a signficant vew owners.

What I'd be more interested in seeing is a replacement of the chairman of the Board (i.e. get rid of Jacobs).


This is filled with inaccuracies, he had plenty of options, a lockout should be a last resort, not a bargaining chip. He could have made more realistic proposals over the summer, he could have sat down with Fehr and a mediator to negotiate a deal, He could have had the players continue playing under the old CBA while he negotiated, and set a deadline, i.e. if we dont have a cba by December we cancel the winter classic and all preceeding it, so a mid-season lock-out, then the league wouldn't be losing revenue. He could have gotten a group of players, the owners, and fehr together and hashed out a rough deal of what everyone would be semi-happy with. To say the lockout is all the owners is pure ignorance, yes the players may be partially at fault for not negotiating better, blah blah blah but the main fact stands that Bettman is the one stopping THEM fromplaying NHL hockey right now, and it is all by his choice. I have said it before and will say it again, all owners are not on Bettmans side, they knew he had his 8 votes, so in order to seem strong to the pa they all voted yes to the lockout, but it was Bettmans idea, not the owners, most of the owners would love for the nhl to be in full throtle right now.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 09:44 PM

I voted yes, but the voices in my head have explained to me that I am not insane.



This is filled with inaccuracies, he had plenty of options, a lockout should be a last resort, not a bargaining chip. He could have made more realistic proposals over the summer, he could have sat down with Fehr and a mediator to negotiate a deal, He could have had the players continue playing under the old CBA while he negotiated, and set a deadline, i.e. if we dont have a cba by December we cancel the winter classic and all preceeding it, so a mid-season lock-out, then the league wouldn't be losing revenue. He could have gotten a group of players, the owners, and fehr together and hashed out a rough deal of what everyone would be semi-happy with. To say the lockout is all the owners is pure ignorance, yes the players may be partially at fault for not negotiating better, blah blah blah but the main fact stands that Bettman is the one stopping THEM fromplaying NHL hockey right now, and it is all by his choice. I have said it before and will say it again, all owners are not on Bettmans side, they knew he had his 8 votes, so in order to seem strong to the pa they all voted yes to the lockout, but it was Bettmans idea, not the owners, most of the owners would love for the nhl to be in full throtle right now.

23 owners could have voted against announcing that they are unified in locking the players (and fans) out and that wouldn't have been enough to overrule Bettman

Thats the key right here. The owners locked out the players, not Gary. Who is to say that the owners won't lockout the players again?

I know people like to point at Gary and say he caused a lost season and 3 lockouts in the last 3 CBA negotiations. The fact of the matter is that the owners did this, not Gary. The ownership will need to change hands first. Even then, the new head of the owners will still be doing what the ownership recommends.

We need uniters in these positions though, so I will agree that Fehr and Bettman are not uniters. They both do need to be fired, but i don't agree that will be best for the NHL as a whole. The next people could be worse.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:17 PM

Option one:
Daniel Sedin for commissioner.
Henrik Sedin for NHLPA leader.

Option two:
Henrik Sedin for commissioner.
Daniel Sedin for NHLPA leader.

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