56 replies to this topic

[F.Michael]

Edit - thanks for the answer!

Edited by F.Michael, 30 October 2012 - 04:17 PM.

[Seraph]

How has no one sunk their teeth into this gem yet?? This may be grounds enough for an off-season photoshop war.

http://l.yimg.com/bt...s/149197523.jpg

Edited by Seraph, 30 October 2012 - 04:47 PM.

[LeftWinger]

Mad much brah?

Anyhow, sure would've like to have Suter, but we will be fine with Kronner stepping up to a leadership role and getting 60-70 points, Smith is gonna become a stud and be better than Suter in the long run and there always getting ahold of Dekeyser (whom a ton of GM's want) and then in a few years Mike McKee. This is going to be one of the toughest defense's to play against in about 4-5 years and Suter will still be looking for a Cup and help on D because after him the talent fall way down to our #6/#7 depth... Poor Ryan...

[kipwinger]

To be fair, we don't know what went on behind closed doors. There could have been 6 teams against the lockout, but that's clearly not enough to stop it. So at that point, as an owner, you'd probably vote in favor of the lockout in order to maintain relationships with the other owners that are essential to trades and business deals. It happens in politics all the time, if your vote won't matter, cast it with the majority.

So what you're saying is that at the end of the day it was more important for Mike Illitch to have a good working relationship with other owners than it was to make the fans happy, the players happy, and uphold the integrity of the game and league we all love? I agree.

Edited by kipwinger, 30 October 2012 - 10:22 PM.

[drwscc]

So what you're saying is that at the end of the day it was more important for Mike Illitch to have a good working relationship with other owners than it was to make the fans happy, the players happy, and uphold the integrity of the game and league we all love? I agree.

What does that mean? If you're going to lose anyway, why wouldn't you try to preserve a good relationship with the other teams? You don't think the owners know how the vote is going to turn out before they have it. If Illitch found 2 or 3 other folks on his side, and the other 26 owners were all in favor, it doesn't make sense to shoot yourself in the foot going forward to no purpose.

[kipwinger]

What does that mean? If you're going to lose anyway, why wouldn't you try to preserve a good relationship with the other teams? You don't think the owners know how the vote is going to turn out before they have it. If Illitch found 2 or 3 other folks on his side, and the other 26 owners were all in favor, it doesn't make sense to shoot yourself in the foot going forward to no purpose.

What it means is that at the end of the day, all the owners (including Illitch) felt like either 1) locking out, or 2) preserving their business relationships over the relationships they have with the players, fans, etc. If Mr. Illitch, or any other owner, was against the lockout and his first priority was to his players, organization, or fans, he would have gone on record by voting against this absurd lockout. He didn't. None did. So arguing back and forth about which (if any) owners are actually against the lockout is ludicrous.

[ami]

suter's rant is a very good indication that a few players understand what NHL is actually proposing. and also, which is much more important, this is an indication that union and its leaders have never been interested in educating its members.

[frankgrimes]

You obviously have no clue how the PA works. Players have stated times and times again, how good of a job Fehr has done to provide them with information.

Anyway Suter is easily better than all our defenders, the guy i s elite Kronner is a great second pairing guy so is White but we don't have a solid nr 1 pairing sadly.

Suter would have been a great addition

Sent from my BlackBerry

Edited by frankgrimes, 01 November 2012 - 01:16 AM.

[cusimano_brothers]

All membership, no matter if it's in professional sports or not, have to be proactive when it comes to any and all matters dealing with their career. If their not, they're only hurting themselves.
Q: How much was Neil Sheehy's "cut" on this deal?
A: A lot.

[chances14]

i don't think either side is being proactive right now

[ami]

You obviously have no clue how the PA works. Players have stated times and times again, how good of a job Fehr has done to provide them with information.

Sure, I have no clue.

But still, I can read. I read what Suter had to say, and I read what NHL had to propose.
I compare. Than I read you saying how good of job Ferh has done, and I laugh

And I say, players are being way too politically correct towards PA leaders...

[GoalieManPat]

Did you actually hear that from a credible source or just as baseless fan talk on hockey forums, like the rest of us have? I doubt Illitch is against the lockout, he is a business man, and the lockout is to get the owners more money. Plus, the longer the lockout goes on, the greater the chance that the bottom feeding welfare teams will go under, and owners like Illitch will get to stop spending their money to support them.

This is just my humble opinion but I wouldn't be surprised if Illitch is against this lockout. From how frail the guy looked during the Tigers celebration Id be surprised if he really is in on the lockout much. More than likely he has advisors in there for the day to day and he is only around for important votes. Plus the guy unfortunately cant have to many years left in him. A lost season really cuts into the chances of another Cup in his lifetime. And with his spendings on the Tigers I dont see him "bleeding money" as other owners are.

[The Axe]

Semin-Datsyuk-Parise
Brunner-Zetterberg-Franzen
Doan-Filppula-Nyquist
Abdelkader-Helm-Cleary

Suter-Yandle
Carle-Kronwall
White-Smith

Howard
Gustavsson

Get it done, Kenny.

[Hockeytown0001]

Semin-Datsyuk-Parise
Brunner-Zetterberg-Franzen
Doan-Filppula-Nyquist
Abdelkader-Helm-Cleary

Suter-Yandle
Carle-Kronwall
White-Smith

Howard
Gustavsson

Get it done, Kenny.

I wish.

[Johnz96]

What does that mean? If you're going to lose anyway, why wouldn't you try to preserve a good relationship with the other teams? You don't think the owners know how the vote is going to turn out before they have it. If Illitch found 2 or 3 other folks on his side, and the other 26 owners were all in favor, it doesn't make sense to shoot yourself in the foot going forward to no purpose.

It would take only 7 votes to appear unanimous if they voted on it and it woudn't surprise me if they did.

[Motown4013]

Semin-Datsyuk-Parise
Brunner-Zetterberg-Franzen
Doan-Filppula-Nyquist
Abdelkader-Helm-Cleary

Suter-Yandle
Carle-Kronwall
White-Smith

Howard
Gustavsson

Get it done, Kenny.

Such a realist!

[Marty Barry]

Although I tend to lean towards the side of the players, Suter is mad because he was outgreeded by the owners. He went for the once in a lifetime outrageous payday and now he has learned a painful lesson in corporate economics. If it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is. The Wild ownership among others knew that if they got their way with the CBA that they wouldn't have to honor these stupid contracts all the way. Nobody to root for regarding these contracts.