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#21 GoWings1905

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:37 PM

Ya, why should the Wings draft a TJ Oshie (#24) Matt Niskanen (#28) Steve Downie (#29) James Neal (#33) Marc Edourad Vlasic (#35) Paul Stastny (#44) when Jakub Kindl (#19) is available...Kenny seemed to do very well this last draft, but he blew it in 2005...God forbid he ever finds himself with a top 5 pick.

I know the draft is a gamble and a lot of teams drop the puck persay, but all this talk about how the team isn't young and great because of the Wings drafting in the 20's year after year, I find it funny how the one time he is in the teens, he blows it with a wasted player who won't be on this team too much longer....


Hindsight is easy in the drafting process. You could make a long list of misses and poor selections for every team in the league. Cherry-picking the Kindl move doesn't mean Holland can't draft. I would also argue that the gap between top-five and 19th is massive most years. It's very tough to blow drafting that high because the best prospects are typically can't miss.

26 teams also passed on Brendan Smith and that looks pretty promising going forward.
 
 
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#22 Crymson

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:45 PM

I'm sure that there are 29 teams who kick themselves constantly for each passing on Datsyuk at least five times and Zetterberg seven times. It really does work both ways.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:27 PM

what if it looks something like this at the end of the season......(should there be one)

Val - Pavs - Mule
Goose - Hank - Brunner
Tatar - Cleary - Sammy
Bert - Helm - Toots

We have so many spare parts right now

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:40 PM

what if it looks something like this at the end of the season......(should there be one)

Val - Pavs - Mule
Goose - Hank - Brunner
Tatar - Cleary - Sammy
Bert - Helm - Toots

We have so many spare parts right now


Why in the world would our roster look anything like that?

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#25 The Axe

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:41 PM

what if it looks something like this at the end of the season......(should there be one)

Val - Pavs - Mule
Goose - Hank - Brunner
Tatar - Cleary - Sammy
Bert - Helm - Toots

We have so many spare parts right now


Is "Goose" Emmerton's nickname?

#26 PavelValerievichDatsyuk

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:22 PM

Is "Goose" Emmerton's nickname?


It's Goosetave Nyquist's

#27 The Axe

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:40 PM

It's Goosetave Nyquist's


Ahhh. I have a hard time believing Emmerton wont be in the lineup.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:34 PM

Ahhh. I have a hard time believing Emmerton wont be in the lineup.

who else would you bench really? aside from the lack of a third line center, I like the look of those lines. Tatar is a more impressive option than emmerton at this point.

Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:57 PM

Cleary isn't a center -- that third line role is absolutely Helm's and rightfully so. I don't really prefer Abdelkader at center, but he'll definitey play there on the fourth line over Emmerton. Where's Drew Miller at? I would be stunned if all three of Nyquist, Brunner and Tatar are dressed and playing for the Red Wings right away.
 
 
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:37 PM

Cleary isn't a center -- that third line role is absolutely Helm's and rightfully so. I don't really prefer Abdelkader at center, but he'll definitey play there on the fourth line over Emmerton. Where's Drew Miller at? I would be stunned if all three of Nyquist, Brunner and Tatar are dressed and playing for the Red Wings right away.


hence why i said "what if at the end of the season it looked like this?"

Why in the world would our roster look anything like that?


cause our player r awesome duh kipwing

Ahhh. I have a hard time believing Emmerton wont be in the lineup.


nice. trying to derail another topic with the same ridiculous point. ur shooting for the stars these days axe keep it up :)

#31 joesuffP

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:46 PM

Val-Dats-Franzen would be a nice line

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:07 AM

So Brunner gets top 6 minutes, but Nyquist gets subbed with TooToo ? Don't think so. Nyquist after playing like he is in the AHL, will either be top 6 (especially since Brunner hasn't even played in NA yet) or on the third line.


I'm just plotting Brunner on the top 6 because Babcock hinted that when we first got him, and he and Zetterberg seem to have good chemistry- although not in an A-league.

Nyquist hasn't proven anything yet, I really don't see Miller getting snubbed of a spot and there's no way he's taking out either Cleary, Samuelsson or Bertuzzi off the lineup.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:55 AM

It will be;

Nyquist-Dats-Samielsson
Filppula-Zetts-Franzen
Cleary-Helm-Brunner
Abdelkader-Emmerton-Tootoo

Bertuzzi, Miller, and Eaves will battle for Brunner and Tootoo's spots.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:42 AM

I'm sure that there are 29 teams who kick themselves constantly for each passing on Datsyuk at least five times and Zetterberg seven times. It really does work both ways.


Exactly. There are so many variables, so many unknows, so many uncontollable factors once you draft outside the top 5, there is a large amount of chance involved. Detroit has done unbelievably well to stay competetive year after year, especially in the cap era when stacking lottery picks has proven the easiest way to success.

Of course, if we want to talk about drafting Keith Primeau ahead of Jaromir Jagr, thats a legitimate debate to have ;)
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:01 AM

It will be;

Nyquist-Dats-Samielsson
Filppula-Zetts-Franzen
Cleary-Helm-Brunner
Abdelkader-Emmerton-Tootoo

Bertuzzi, Miller, and Eaves will battle for Brunner and Tootoo's spots.


Are you sure you aren't a troll?

#36 Bring Back The Bruise Bros

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:31 AM

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Franzen
Nyquist-Filppula-Samuelsson
Cleary-Helm-Bertuzzi
Miller-Abdelkader-Tootoo

Kronwall-White
Quincey-Smith
Ericsson-Colaiacovo

I'd rather see Abdelkader at the wing.
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#37 Bring Back The Bruise Bros

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:36 AM

It will be;

Nyquist-Dats-Samielsson
Filppula-Zetts-Franzen
Cleary-Helm-Brunner
Abdelkader-Emmerton-Tootoo

Bertuzzi, Miller, and Eaves will battle for Brunner and Tootoo's spots.

You're just derailing every thread you possibly can at this point. Emmerton is the most expendable. I'd like to see him traded for a legitimate 4th line center. Kyle Chipchura comes to mind.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:22 AM

You're just derailing every thread you possibly can at this point. Emmerton is the most expendable. I'd like to see him traded for a legitimate 4th line center. Kyle Chipchura comes to mind.


I guess you have all the answers huh?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:14 PM

I guess you have all the answers huh?

You're finally catching on. How about we compare these 4th line centers:

Kyle Chipchura-16 points in 53 games. Physical, but very disciplined.
Cory Emmerton-10 points 71 games. As said before, he's fast, but he isn't physical at all and doesn't provide a whole hell of a lot offensively.

Not sure what it would take for Phoenix to send him here, but it needs to happen.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:44 PM

It will be;

Nyquist-Dats-Samielsson
Filppula-Zetts-Franzen
Cleary-Helm-Brunner
Abdelkader-Emmerton-Tootoo

Bertuzzi, Miller, and Eaves will battle for Brunner and Tootoo's spots.


Emmerton should be first line center with all the skill he clearly has





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