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#1 irishock

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:58 PM

you can choose to do it by value over a long period of time (Franzen would be > Hossa, etc.) or value no matter how long the duration (Hull would be > Holmstrom, etc.)

I'll go

1.Lidstrom
2.Datsyuk
3.Zetterberg
4.Hasek
5.Hossa
6.Shanahan
7.Hull
8.Franzen
9.Yzerman
10.Holmstrom
11.Rafalski
12.Kronwall
13.Filppula
14.Cleary
15.Draper
16.Stuart
17.Bertuzzi
18.Schneider
19.Samuelsson
20.Lang

Actually, yeah Hossa really shouldn't make the list. I think talent alone he's top 5 but his playoff disappearance really changed everyone's perception of him. Probably take him out of the list and put Hudler into top 20.

Edited by irishock, 17 December 2012 - 11:41 PM.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:18 PM

Top 3 are obvious, but Hasek and Hossa are ranked too high, and Holmstrom and Kronwall are ranked too low. Hossa did s*** for us in the playoffs and was only here one year. He shouldn't even be on the list actually. Here's my top 10.

1. Lidstrom
2. Datsyuk
3. Zetterberg
4. Holmstrom
5. Rafalski
6. Shanahan
7. Kronwall
8. Franzen
9. Yzerman
10. Lilja

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:25 PM

Cool thread -- quite the list of players to choose from in just a decade. I'm going to take the longevity factor into account mostly.

1. Lidstrom
2. Zetterberg
3. Datsyuk
4. Osgood
5. Yzerman (2002 playoff run alone made me boost him this high)
6. Rafalski
7. Franzen
8. Shanahan
9. Kronwall
10. Draper
11. Holmstrom
12. Stuart
13. Chelios
14. McCarty
15. Cleary
16. Schneider
17. Filppula
18. Helm
19. Howard
20. Drake (wasn't here long, huge impact in the 2008 playoffs though)
 
 
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 07:56 AM

Wow, this is tricky.

1) Pasha/Nick. I can't decide between the two.
2) Steve. What can you say - he was The Captain.
3) Henrik
4) Johan. Those hat tricks in the '08 run didn't hurt his status at all.
5) Ozzie.

More than this, I'd be really hard pressed to rate them.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:29 PM

1. Lidstrom
2. Datsyuk
3. Zetterberg
4. Kronwall
5. Filppula
6. Helm
7. Yzerman
8. Rafalski
9. Ericsson
10. Franzen
11. Osgood
12. Cleary
13. Shanahan
14. Drake
15. Howard
16. Draper
17. Chelios
18. Fischer
19. Maltby
20. Stuart

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:16 PM

I love Yzerman, but the thread says since 2002. I thought that meant the 2002 playoffs don't count.

After that season, all I remember from Stevie were injuries and waiting for him to return. I don't see how he can rank really high here. His impact diminished and I remember him even playing on the 3rd line.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:15 PM

I meant to include the 2002 playoffs since I put Hasek and Hull up there as well.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:36 PM

I meant to include the 2002 playoffs since I put Hasek and Hull up there as well.


OK.

I'd rank Yzerman a little higher then. Hasek I might include in the top 10, but he was on and off in Hockeytown.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 11:00 PM

OK.

I'd rank Yzerman a little higher then. Hasek I might include in the top 10, but he was on and off in Hockeytown.

OK.

I'd rank Yzerman a little higher then. Hasek I might include in the top 10, but he was on and off in Hockeytown.


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:41 AM

you can choose to do it by value over a long period of time (Franzen would be > Hossa, etc.) or value no matter how long the duration (Hull would be > Holmstrom, etc.)

I'll go

1.Lidstrom
2.Datsyuk
3.Zetterberg
4.Hasek
5.Hossa
6.Shanahan
7.Hull
8.Franzen
9.Yzerman
10.Holmstrom
11.Rafalski
12.Kronwall
13.Filppula
14.Cleary
15.Draper
16.Stuart
17.Bertuzzi
18.Schneider
19.Samuelsson
20.Lang

Actually, yeah Hossa really shouldn't make the list. I think talent alone he's top 5 but his playoff disappearance really changed everyone's perception of him. Probably take him out of the list and put Hudler into top 20.


As long as this includes the Cup in 2002, this is my list. I don't see a reason to have anyone on my list that wasn't on a Cup team. Past that, I don't think we win the Cup in '02 at all without Hasek, thus his ranking. My major changes...I'm not the biggest Osgood fan but he certainly should be on the list. Darren Helm, I believe, is one of the most important players on the Wings and is arguably the best bottom six forward in the game. He's the new Kris Draper, who was ranked highly for similar reasons. I think both of those players set the tone of work ethic when they play/played.

1.Lidstrom
2.Datsyuk
3.Zetterberg
4.Hasek
5.Kronwall
6.Shanahan
7.Franzen
8.Hull
9.Yzerman
10.Rafalski
11.Holmstrom
12.Osgood
13.Draper
14.Helm
15.Cleary
16.Stuart
17.Filppula
18.Samuelsson
19.Chelios
20.Hudler


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Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:21 PM

I cannot believe nobody put Fedorov or CuJo on their lists....Hudler doen't belong ANYWHERE on that list!

Fedorov lead the team in points with 83 in that one season, Hudler has 127 in SEVEN seasons...

I mention CuJo because he did win 34 games and even if they did get swept in the first round, he still only had a 2.08 GAA for the playoffs. If the Wings cannot score more than 2 goals a game, they usually do not win...also how valuable was Manny during the whole Cujo/Hasek debacle? 23 wins followed the next year by 37 (too bad he did choke in the playoffs...)

All three of these guys should make that list above Hudler and with the exception of one magical playoff year, Franzine doesn't deserve to be ranked that high, he is WELL below the MVP status of Filppula!

As long as this includes the Cup in 2002, this is my list. I don't see a reason to have anyone on my list that wasn't on a Cup team. Past that, I don't think we win the Cup in '02 at all without Hasek, thus his ranking. My major changes...I'm not the biggest Osgood fan but he certainly should be on the list. Darren Helm, I believe, is one of the most important players on the Wings and is arguably the best bottom six forward in the game. He's the new Kris Draper, who was ranked highly for similar reasons. I think both of those players set the tone of work ethic when they play/played.

1.Lidstrom
2.Datsyuk
3.Zetterberg
4.Hasek
5.Kronwall
6.Shanahan
7.Franzen
8.Hull
9.Yzerman
10.Rafalski
11.Holmstrom
12.Osgood
13.Draper
14.Helm
15.Cleary
16.Stuart
17.Filppula
18.Samuelsson
19.Chelios
20.Hudler


No Maltby? So Hudler was more valuable than Maltby? Hopefully this was an oversight...

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 07:02 PM

Depends on your interpretation of value. Hudler had some pretty significant offensive seasons while Maltby's effectiveness was decreasing rapidly during this time span.

I am a little surprised at the lack of love for Ozzie so far. Saved what could have been a first round exit in 2008 and was brilliant the rest of the way. Would have won the Conn Smythe too in 2009 had his team scored more than two goals combined in Games 6 and 7.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 08:35 PM

Depends on your interpretation of value. Hudler had some pretty significant offensive seasons while Maltby's effectiveness was decreasing rapidly during this time span.

I am a little surprised at the lack of love for Ozzie so far. Saved what could have been a first round exit in 2008 and was brilliant the rest of the way. Would have won the Conn Smythe too in 2009 had his team scored more than two goals combined in Games 6 and 7.


You're right, I should have put Osgood on my list in retrospect. Just for 2008 and 2009 (although we like to forget the latter season around here).
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:17 PM

Hudler was good for 5 years. Maltby was solid for probably 6 years. I'd take Hudler over him.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:54 PM

Hudler was good for 5 years. Maltby was solid for probably 6 years. I'd take Hudler over him.


Wow! Really? Hudler was nowhere near as good defensively! :lol: Picture Hudler on the Grind Line! :hysterical:

Edited by LeftWinger, 21 December 2012 - 09:54 PM.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 10:36 PM

Wow! Really? Hudler was nowhere near as good defensively! :lol: Picture Hudler on the Grind Line! :hysterical:


Hudler obviously wasn't good defensively but he was still a 2nd line calibre player while Maltby was always Drape's sidekick.

In this league a scoring line guy is always more valuable than a grind line guy imo.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 11:00 PM

Wow! Really? Hudler was nowhere near as good defensively! :lol: Picture Hudler on the Grind Line! :hysterical:


That's easy to flip: imagine Maltby trying to score 25 goals in a top-six role.
 
 
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 04:43 AM

And yet, does anyone really miss Hudler?

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 10:10 AM

No, I don't personally. Just saying in this context I think he's more valuable than Maltby.
 
 
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 11:11 AM

Maltby = 4 rings.





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