Cleary was playing on one leg last year. I'm not going to dispute he's ideally a third liner, but your claim that he "sucks" up on a scoring line is absurd and false. Cleary scored 26 goals two seasons ago (second on the team) and has two other 20-goal seasons in Detroit. He had nine goals and 15 points during the 2009 playoffs playing with Zetterberg and Franzen mostly. Could -- or better yet, did -- Maltby ever do any of that? This is also keeping in mind Cleary is excellent defensively, kills penalties and works his tail off every shift.
My "crush" has nothing to do with my judgment Cleary has been more valuable than Kirk Maltby. Besides one shift of Maltby and your hatred of Hudler, what exactly is your basis here?
I am not disputing that Cleary has value on this team, he does, as a third line player. Kirk Maltby was for the most part a 4th line player his entire career here, but on most nights, outside of the #1 line, the line of Maltby/Draper/Lapointe(Kocur/McCarty) was the best and most consistant on the Wings and around the NHL at what their roles were. Cleary is a fine role player, but he just isn't as valuable as Maltby was to this team. I guess you and I are just two different era's of Red Wings fans, so when Dan Cleary has played in over 1000 hard nosed, grinding bottom 6, get dirty games, we will revisit this debate and then this will be answered.
But Hudler is in NO WAY more valuable than 90% of the players that played on this team from 02' up until last year. He is one dimensional, does not fight for the puck in the corner or in front of the net. He doesn't follow the play after he takes a shot on net, he leans into a slapshot and if it doesn't go in, he is already peeling back away from the play. He held Ken Holland and the Wings hostage when he refused a $3.5M contract and filed for arbitration only to get awarded a $2.8M contract then bolt to Russia after thumbing his nose to the Wings organization. He thougth he was bigger than the organization because he tallied 57 points? REALLY? This team has no room for players like that and I am more than happy to see him leave. This is also why Franzen is crap. He cannot stay motivated and gts bored during the season? You either give 100% or take a hike. Kirk Maltby, Darren Helm, Kris Draper, these guys never made the all-star dollars, but dollar for dollar they out-perform(ed) and are 100X more valuable to the success of this team than Hudler and Franzen ever were or ever will be...
Edited by LeftWinger, 22 December 2012 - 04:49 PM.