LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted December 20, 2012 with not too much to talk about or watch NHL wise this year, I have been trying to watch whatever games I can that involve Red Wings prospects along with doing a lot of reading up on the youngsters.... With the emergence of a lot of top talented 19-22 year old players, I started looking at some of the players who have pretty much missed the boat or their window of opportunity make it to the NHL. My list is as follows, please I would love to hear all of your opinions! Jordan Pearce Thomas McCollum **** Axelsson Daniel Larsson Gennady Stolyarov Jesper Samuelsson Anton Axelsson Evegeni Bumagin (way past his prime!) Andrei Maximenko (another bust in the pan!) Alexander Seluyanov (another busted Russian) Those guys are pretty obvious, but also I don't see the Red Wings utilizing Radeke, Fournier, Coetzee too much if at all. Also I think, even though he is in their top 20 prospects, Joakim Andersson isn't gonna cack this lineup fulltime ever... I have high hopes for Ferraro, Nicastro and even though I think he may be close to missing, Lashoff. Nicastro and Lashoff are two big defensenmen, but they have a ways to go to overtake Sproul and Ouelette not to mention Almqvist who is already playing in GRR and ahead of them on the prospects list. Along with McKee being drafted and the rumblings about the possible signing of DeKeyser...it would be a tough road ahead for Nicastro or Lashoff to get in the lineup. Of course if Holland would gibe up the Kindl experiment, that would help in seeing what they could bring... This is not set in stone, but if you are already pushing 23 and are still not at least playing in GRR, I think you may have missed the boat... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,520 Report post Posted December 20, 2012 (edited) Arguments on the other thread aside, I honestly think Andersson will play more games for the Wings than Tatar will. I just don't know where Tatar fits in. He's too unfinished to beat out Nyquist or Brunner, and by the time he gets a shot guys like Jarnkrok, Jurco, Tvardon, and Frk might be ready to go ahead of him. I think he'll get traded sooner rather than later. Edited December 20, 2012 by kipwinger 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted December 20, 2012 Nyquist is having a good year in Grand Rapids. Tatar has had respectable numbers. I'm not sure where Tatar fits, either. It'll be interesting to see how Andersson and Ferraro pan out. Any predictions on Mitch Callahan? I don't think he'll be much more than a 4th liner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted December 20, 2012 McCollum is crap. 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,520 Report post Posted December 20, 2012 McCollum is crap. Is there such a thing as Special Olympic hockey? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted December 20, 2012 I guess I have a different definition of "prospect". Pearce was never a long watched prospect BTW. He was an unsigned and undrafted player coming out of Notre Dame his senior year. He was signed by the Griffins at that time. It wasn't like we signed him when he was a freshman or in juniors. I will agree that he didn't pan out, but to compare him with McCollum is crap. McCollum was drafted in the 1st round and 30th overall. We got Pearce for nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
achildr1 255 Report post Posted December 20, 2012 with not too much to talk about or watch NHL wise this year, I have been trying to watch whatever games I can that involve Red Wings prospects along with doing a lot of reading up on the youngsters.... With the emergence of a lot of top talented 19-22 year old players, I started looking at some of the players who have pretty much missed the boat or their window of opportunity make it to the NHL. My list is as follows, please I would love to hear all of your opinions! Jordan Pearce Thomas McCollum **** Axelsson Daniel Larsson Gennady Stolyarov Jesper Samuelsson Anton Axelsson Evegeni Bumagin (way past his prime!) Andrei Maximenko (another bust in the pan!) Alexander Seluyanov (another busted Russian) Those guys are pretty obvious, but also I don't see the Red Wings utilizing Radeke, Fournier, Coetzee too much if at all. Also I think, even though he is in their top 20 prospects, Joakim Andersson isn't gonna cack this lineup fulltime ever... I have high hopes for Ferraro, Nicastro and even though I think he may be close to missing, Lashoff. Nicastro and Lashoff are two big defensenmen, but they have a ways to go to overtake Sproul and Ouelette not to mention Almqvist who is already playing in GRR and ahead of them on the prospects list. Along with McKee being drafted and the rumblings about the possible signing of DeKeyser...it would be a tough road ahead for Nicastro or Lashoff to get in the lineup. Of course if Holland would gibe up the Kindl experiment, that would help in seeing what they could bring... This is not set in stone, but if you are already pushing 23 and are still not at least playing in GRR, I think you may have missed the boat... Definitely disagree on Andersson. At this point I think he translates to the NHL easier than anyone not named Nyquist or Smith. Babcock loves the kid, he's putting up better numbers than people expected, plays a hard nosed game, is a big kid, and projects to be the second coming of Sammy Pahlsson. Those are the guys you see traded at the deadline every year now. The guys playoff teams want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
up2here 41 Report post Posted December 20, 2012 Riley Sheahan. I would guess theres never been a player in the history of the game who recovered from being caught wearing a Tinky Winky costume. 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted December 20, 2012 I guess the real question about that whole incident is.....Did he carry a purse? Of course he did. Where else would he keep Smith's ID? 2 kipwinger and Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted December 20, 2012 Of course he did. Where else would he keep Smith's ID? Maybe in one of these? 1 Frozen-Man reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted December 21, 2012 i've actually heard some good things about Lashoff.... keep an eye on him for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 21, 2012 Nyquist is having a good year in Grand Rapids. Tatar has had respectable numbers. I'm not sure where Tatar fits, either. It'll be interesting to see how Andersson and Ferraro pan out. Any predictions on Mitch Callahan? I don't think he'll be much more than a 4th liner. Tatar's been as good as Nyquist in GR this year... he's really been excellent-- especially with his play off the puck. Tatar's compete level is huge even if he's not. 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PROBIE4PREZ 58 Report post Posted December 21, 2012 Igor Grigorenko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted December 21, 2012 Kindl (I'm hoping that by calling it out I'll turn out to be very wrong because the Wings will need him) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,520 Report post Posted December 21, 2012 Tatar's been as good as Nyquist in GR this year... he's really been excellent-- especially with his play off the puck. Tatar's compete level is huge even if he's not. I don't think the issue is his skill set or his work ethic. The kid's got both in spades. The issue is, he's probably not going to crack the top six for a couple of years given that Nyquist and Brunner are both ahead of him on the depth chart, and given his size and style he really doesn't fit on the bottom six. There's no reason to keep him in the AHL when he's NHL ready and with no room for him, I see them trading him sometime soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted December 21, 2012 I don't think the issue is his skill set or his work ethic. The kid's got both in spades. The issue is, he's probably not going to crack the top six for a couple of years given that Nyquist and Brunner are both ahead of him on the depth chart, and given his size and style he really doesn't fit on the bottom six. There's no reason to keep him in the AHL when he's NHL ready and with no room for him, I see them trading him sometime soon. Wouldn't doubt that at all. Hasn't he made some noise about going back to Europe if he doesn't crack the Wings lineup in the recent past? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted December 21, 2012 I don't think the issue is his skill set or his work ethic. The kid's got both in spades. The issue is, he's probably not going to crack the top six for a couple of years given that Nyquist and Brunner are both ahead of him on the depth chart, and given his size and style he really doesn't fit on the bottom six. There's no reason to keep him in the AHL when he's NHL ready and with no room for him, I see them trading him sometime soon. I guess his future depends on how Brunner fares once there is a season to play. If Brunner is a bust, then Tatar is next in line. I could see him being traded if Brunner proves to be something worthwhile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted December 21, 2012 I have never been high on Tatar, Kindl, Mursak. Axelsson had some really great tools but lacks work ethic, discipline and skating. Despite Smith, Nyquist there is not much guaranteed NHL quality in the minors sad but true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,520 Report post Posted December 22, 2012 I guess his future depends on how Brunner fares once there is a season to play. If Brunner is a bust, then Tatar is next in line. I could see him being traded if Brunner proves to be something worthwhile. Yeah I completely agree. There is no guarantee that Brunner will turn out, and if he doesn't then you're right, Tatar will be the next up. However, given that there is no guarantee that Brunner will translate his success to the North American game, I think based on his skill set he's as likely as succeed as almost any Euro I've ever seen. He's got the skating and the shot, and considering he's not going to have to toil away on the bottom two lines but will instead go straight onto a skill/scoring line I think he'll do just fine. Check out this goal at 1:15... It reminds me a lot of this one, which bodes well for us given the quality of our centers... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motown4013 350 Report post Posted December 22, 2012 I have never been high on Tatar, Kindl, Mursak. Axelsson had some really great tools but lacks work ethic, discipline and skating. Despite Smith, Nyquist there is not much guaranteed NHL quality in the minors sad but true. I think we have some good young talent..both Oulette and Paterson are playing for Canada, Frk and Faska as Propects for the Czechs. I know we are a ways away but right now Tatar, Nyqvist, Smith could be playing up here if we were a weaker team. There with a few guys ( Jurco, Lashoff and Mrazek) I can see here in the next 2-3 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted December 22, 2012 (edited) I think we have some good young talent..both Oulette and Paterson are playing for Canada, Frk and Faska as Propects for the Czechs. I know we are a ways away but right now Tatar, Nyqvist, Smith could be playing up here if we were a weaker team. There with a few guys ( Jurco, Lashoff and Mrazek) I can see here in the next 2-3 years. aside from nyqvist and smith, who i cannot wait to see up full time.... jurco is going to be incredible. before we got him, i was looking over the prospects hoping we'd pick him.. so glad we did. I just hope he gets a year up with pavel still in the line up to mentor him a little. also, i think mursak (given a chance) might surprise a lot of people. edit: mursak given a chance on a scoring line** Edited December 22, 2012 by amato Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted December 23, 2012 aside from nyqvist and smith, who i cannot wait to see up full time.... jurco is going to be incredible. before we got him, i was looking over the prospects hoping we'd pick him.. so glad we did. I just hope he gets a year up with pavel still in the line up to mentor him a little. also, i think mursak (given a chance) might surprise a lot of people. edit: mursak given a chance on a scoring line** Thats just it. Our forward prospects are all trash if you take z and pavs out of the equation. Thats what scares me. We havent had a zetterberg or datsyuk show up in our system for quite some time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted December 23, 2012 Thats just it. Our forward prospects are all trash if you take z and pavs out of the equation. Thats what scares me. We havent had a zetterberg or datsyuk show up in our system for quite some time. So there may be some growing pains and they will have to build through the draft Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted December 23, 2012 So I'm the only person here who still thinks McCollum could win the Vezina? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted December 23, 2012 :eh:/> So I'm the only person here who still thinks McCollum could win the Vezina? Not sure if you're serious? I actually haven't given up on McCollum yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
