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[F.Michael]

I'm very much a pessimist/realist - hell - I even predicted this lockout months before the September 15th CBA expiration...

That said it seems as though both sides really want to hammer out a deal; the players/owners seemed to have made some progress without Bettman/Fehr, and I'm hoping they can get it done.....My fear is that if the union isn't gonna represent the players - I hope the owners don't retract what offers/progress was made a few weeks ago - only to create more animosity between the 2 sides.

[The Axe]

I think a cancelled season might be inevitable right now.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros]

I don't really care anymore. I've been paying zero attention to it. Believe it or not, the world continues to spin without the NHL.

[Hockeytown0001]

I don't really care anymore. I've been paying zero attention to it. Believe it or not, the world continues to spin without the NHL.

And the way its going, not too many people outside of hardcore hockey fans would notice either.

Edited by Hockeytown0001, 27 December 2012 - 02:13 AM.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros]

And the way its going, not too many people outside of hardcore hockey fans would notice either.

I think the league is toast if they lose the full year. They have a hard enough time getting people in Dallas, Columbus, and Phoenix to go to games as it is. It will get even worse if the full year is cancelled.

[Hockeytown0001]

I think the league is toast if they lose the full year. They have a hard enough time getting people in Dallas, Columbus, and Phoenix to go to games as it is. It will get even worse if the full year is cancelled.

Not to mention the momentum that teams like Florida and Los Angeles made last season.

[thegerkin]

Just put the season out of it's misery already!

[RippedOnNitro]

Will this be enough for Fehr to accept??

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=412368

"The NHL has made a new CBA proposal to the NHL Players' Association, an NHL player told TSN on Friday.
The player, who requested anonymity, said the NHL made a new offer to the NHLPA on Thursday, one which moved on term limit for player contracts, salary variance and buyouts.
According to TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger, the NHL adjusted its maximum contract length from five to six years (seven years if a team is re-signing its own player) and boosted the variance from five to 10 per cent.
TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun adds that the new offer includes the 'Make Whole' provision that stays at $300 million and allows each team one compliance buyout prior to the 2013-14 season. The buyout would not count against the cap, but it would against the players' share.
NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly would not confirm what the player said when reached by TSN.
More to follow."

[Euro_Twins]

Will this be enough for Fehr to accept??

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=412368

"The NHL has made a new CBA proposal to the NHL Players' Association, an NHL player told TSN on Friday.
The player, who requested anonymity, said the NHL made a new offer to the NHLPA on Thursday, one which moved on term limit for player contracts, salary variance and buyouts.
According to TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger, the NHL adjusted its maximum contract length from five to six years (seven years if a team is re-signing its own player) and boosted the variance from five to 10 per cent.
TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun adds that the new offer includes the 'Make Whole' provision that stays at $300 million and allows each team one compliance buyout prior to the 2013-14 season. The buyout would not count against the cap, but it would against the players' share.
NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly would not confirm what the player said when reached by TSN.
More to follow."

I had come in here to post the same article. I do not want to get my hopes up, but this is it, either they accept it or were locked out...

[chances14]

I had come in here to post the same article. I do not want to get my hopes up, but this is it, either they accept it or were locked out...

disagree. there is still 2 weeks for a deal to be made. this is far from over

[Euro_Twins]

disagree. there is still 2 weeks for a deal to be made. this is far from over

I disagree. I think this is do or die, they won't wait till January 14 to cancel the season because they want a one week training camp. I believe this is the owners last ditch effort to save a half season, if the players counter their proposal it will probably be rejected and the season cancelled (maybe I am wrong though) either way this is what Fehr was waiting for, this is the best offer the owners will give out now.

[Hockeytown0001]

Please sign the deal.

[chances14]

I disagree. I think this is do or die, they won't wait till January 14 to cancel the season because they want a one week training camp. I believe this is the owners last ditch effort to save a half season, if the players counter their proposal it will probably be rejected and the season cancelled (maybe I am wrong though) either way this is what Fehr was waiting for, this is the best offer the owners will give out now.

it's only december 28 today. they have until January 14 to actually sign a deal imo. that gives them a week or so of training camp and then the season starts in late janurary. i think we are in for 2 weeks of intense negotiations. if nothing comes out of this at the end of 2 weeks, then the season will be cancelled

i think fehr will try to squeeze a little bit more out of the owners before signing a deal.

[RippedOnNitro]

it's only december 28 today. they have until January 14 to actually sign a deal imo. that gives them a week or so of training camp and then the season starts in late janurary. i think we are in for 2 weeks of intense negotiations. if nothing comes out of this at the end of 2 weeks, then the season will be cancelled

i think fehr will try to squeeze a little bit more out of the owners before signing a deal.

Uhm...if they would start late january with playing games, wouldn't that mean there needs to be another block of games cancelled? As of now all games till the 14th are cancelled, so with a one week training camp it would come to an actual deadline of around the 7th of January when a deal needs to be reached. If they go past this 7th of January the next cancellation would be announced around this date right? I am not sure if they will cancel another block of games or they will cancel the whole season that is.

Please correct me if I am wrong...

[chances14]

Uhm...if they would start late january with playing games, wouldn't that mean there needs to be another block of games cancelled? As of now all games till the 14th are cancelled, so with a one week training camp it would come to an actual deadline of around the 7th of January when a deal needs to be reached. If they go past this 7th of January the next cancellation would be announced around this date right? I am not sure if they will cancel another block of games or they will cancel the whole season that is.

Please correct me if I am wrong...

Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS
NHL told the NHLPA that the drop dead date was January 11th, according to another NHL source.

judging by this, i'm willing to assume that the league will cancel one more week's worth of games to get training camp in with the season starting around the 20th just like in 1995

Edited by chances14, 28 December 2012 - 04:19 PM.

[rrasco]

They said deal has to be done by Jan 11 and season must start by Jan 19.  That's not enough for a 10 day training camp, not by my math anyways, but none of this made sense to begin with anyways.  Let's play.

Edited by rrasco, 28 December 2012 - 06:20 PM.

[irishock]

They'll need like 2-3 more days to do paperwork and what about pre-season games? Do we really want the Mule skating at literally mule speed?

[Euro_Twins]

They said deal has to be done by Jan 11 and season must start by Jan 19.  That's not enough for a 10 day training camp, not by my math anyways, but none of this made sense to begin with anyways.  Let's play.

 

 

The deadline for a deal is January 11, with training camps starting January 12. It would be 1 week training camps with the season starting the 19. I think a more realistic starting date at this point is probably September, considering the way talks (or lack thereof) have gone so far.Either way a 48 game season is ALMOST not worth watching, I have been watching minor hockey, and if not for Datsyuk and Zetterberg, and the uncertainty behind Brunner I wouldn't even want to see a 48 game season.

[irishock]

Things didn't work out too bad for the Wings the last time there was a 48 game season.

[Euro_Twins]

Things didn't work out too bad for the Wings the last time there was a 48 game season.

 

Obviously you forget that they were swept by the Devils in the finals... It doesn't matter that they made it to the finals if they got swept, remember the shame in the tigers loss this year...