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#1 Jedi

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:51 AM

Lebrun and Dreger are posting a series of tweets about a new offer made by the NHL to the PA. (Too many to post links to individual tweets, so these are just links to their twitter page).

LeBrun...

An NHL player says the NHL made a new offer to the NHLPA on Thursday, one which moved on contract term limits, buyouts and variance...

NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly would not confirm it when reached

NHL offer calls for term limit on player contracts to be six years (7 if you're re-signing your own guys).

New offer sees each team afforded one compliance buyout prior to 2013-14 season. Doesn't count vs. cap but it does vs. players' share

Also the Make Whole $$$$ stays at $300 million

At this point there is no scheduled meeting between both sides set for today. NHLPA needs time to review lengthy and detailed offer from NHL


Dreger...

Among the changes in the new proposal, the NHL adjusted its max contract length from 5 to 6 yrs. Boosted the variance from 5% to 10%

Hard to imagine the NHL's latest proposal doesn't result in potentially season-saving meetings. Players wanted flexibility and they got it.


Sounds like the league has made some interesting concessions, moving towards the players on the contracting issues. Also interesting to see that the league is offering each team one compliance buyout to get back under the cap.

"And the best, I must confess, I have saved for the last, for the ruler of this Christmas land,

is a fearsome king with a deep mighty voice, least, that's what I've come to understand.

And I've also heard it told, that he's something to behold, like a lobster, huge and red!

When he sets out to slay with his rain gear on, carting bulging sacks with his big great arms, that is so I've heard it said.

And on a dark cold night, under full moon light, he flies into a fog like a vulture in the sky!

And they call him Sandy Claws!


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:55 AM

So - from what I can gather.....It's pretty much where the owners left off from their meeting with the players from a few weeks ago - only with 6 years for UFAs (instead of 5 years), and a "buyout" per franchise.

Can we drop the puck now?

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#3 Jedi

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:00 AM

So - from what I can gather.....It's pretty much where the owners left off from their meeting with the players from a few weeks ago - only with 6 years for UFAs (instead of 5 years), and a "buyout" per franchise.


Sounds like it. And the increase in contract variance to 10% instead of 5%.

It's still early in the news cycle for this offer, though. When/if more details become public, we might see additional concessions (or possibly demands) from the owners' side.

"And the best, I must confess, I have saved for the last, for the ruler of this Christmas land,

is a fearsome king with a deep mighty voice, least, that's what I've come to understand.

And I've also heard it told, that he's something to behold, like a lobster, huge and red!

When he sets out to slay with his rain gear on, carting bulging sacks with his big great arms, that is so I've heard it said.

And on a dark cold night, under full moon light, he flies into a fog like a vulture in the sky!

And they call him Sandy Claws!


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:20 AM

Sounds like it. And the increase in contract variance to 10% instead of 5%.

It's still early in the news cycle for this offer, though. When/if more details become public, we might see additional concessions (or possibly demands) from the owners' side.

Now - does Fehr still act as the lead negotiator for the players?..Can he "nix" this latest offer?

At this point - this seems like a good/fair offer...I'm under the impression the split of revenue is still 50/50?

IMHO - if the players don't accept, or take this offer seriously - then goodbye NHL season 2012/2013.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:24 AM

If true....sign the damn thing.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:26 AM

I'm attributing the NHL's new offer to this recent tweet by Dr. Ruth:

@AskDrRuth: Members of Congress who can't compromise probably aren't good lovers. Sex requires give and take.

Insult a man's sexual prowess and it's on. If the season is saved I think we should send Dr. Ruth a fruit basket or something...

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#7 F.Michael

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:28 AM

I'm attributing the NHL's new offer to this recent tweet by Dr. Ruth:

@AskDrRuth: Members of Congress who can't compromise probably aren't good lovers. Sex requires give and take.

Insult a man's sexual prowess and it's on. If the season is saved I think we should send Dr. Ruth a fruit basket or something...

She'd probably prefer a manwhore dressed up like the Marlboro Man...

Just sayin.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:32 AM

Now - does Fehr still act as the lead negotiator for the players?..Can he "nix" this latest offer?

Yes. The PA voted in favor of the Disclaimer of Interest, but they have yet to officially de-certify, so Fehr is still representing the PA. However, I don't think Fehr has the kind of power to unilaterally "nix" an offer. He could recommend the players push for more, but I don't think he could just say No, and force the players to live under whatever CBA he agrees to.

At this point - this seems like a good/fair offer...I'm under the impression the split of revenue is still 50/50?

I believe so, yes. Nothing I've seen says anything otherwise, and from the previous negotiations, I think everyone has come to accept that 50/50 is going to happen.

IMHO - if the players don't accept, or take this offer seriously - then goodbye NHL season 2012/2013.

Agreed.

"And the best, I must confess, I have saved for the last, for the ruler of this Christmas land,

is a fearsome king with a deep mighty voice, least, that's what I've come to understand.

And I've also heard it told, that he's something to behold, like a lobster, huge and red!

When he sets out to slay with his rain gear on, carting bulging sacks with his big great arms, that is so I've heard it said.

And on a dark cold night, under full moon light, he flies into a fog like a vulture in the sky!

And they call him Sandy Claws!


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:39 AM

This is at least a positive step.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:54 AM

Lebrun's following up, stating that the offer is for 10 years, with mutual opt-out after 8. And this tidbit...

Should mention that in NHL offer the league maintains desire to change start of free agency from July 1 to July 10


"And the best, I must confess, I have saved for the last, for the ruler of this Christmas land,

is a fearsome king with a deep mighty voice, least, that's what I've come to understand.

And I've also heard it told, that he's something to behold, like a lobster, huge and red!

When he sets out to slay with his rain gear on, carting bulging sacks with his big great arms, that is so I've heard it said.

And on a dark cold night, under full moon light, he flies into a fog like a vulture in the sky!

And they call him Sandy Claws!


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:01 AM

Why do they want to change free agency? No more birthday signings for me...

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:24 AM

Why do they want to change free agency? No more birthday signings for me...

I'm guessing it may have to do with the July 1st, and 4th holidays (Canada & USA respectively); gives the owners/gm/players more time off with family/friends.

I certainly hope this doesn't become a bone of contention for the NHLPA.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:34 AM

Come on get this done!!!
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:46 AM

I am definitely pro-player in this ordeal. IMHO, the players deserve the lions share of the pie. However, I do admire the owner's attempts at making offers. I mean, if nobody is making any offers, then nothing will get done. The owners are definitely taking charge in that respect and dropping ideas out there to see if anything catches. This is how negotiating is done properly.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:02 PM

More thoughts from LeBrun...

Players I've spoken with hope NHL offer leads to something but $60 M cap in Year 2 still a major concern (escrow)...

My sense is that there's still some back and forth that needs to happen in this thing...

But certainly I think league made major steps in this offer, no question


"And the best, I must confess, I have saved for the last, for the ruler of this Christmas land,

is a fearsome king with a deep mighty voice, least, that's what I've come to understand.

And I've also heard it told, that he's something to behold, like a lobster, huge and red!

When he sets out to slay with his rain gear on, carting bulging sacks with his big great arms, that is so I've heard it said.

And on a dark cold night, under full moon light, he flies into a fog like a vulture in the sky!

And they call him Sandy Claws!


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:34 PM

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Good sign #NHL owners aren't willing to burn season but latest offer not close 2 getting deal done. #NHLPA counter offer already in works.

Gotta wonder if the NHLPA is willing to burn a season.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:38 PM

Eklund's gained credibility over breaking this new offer is actually more interesting than the offer itself lol.

It's nice that this will lead to a deal but it's annoying that everyone involved knew it would probably be January till a deal was done pretty much right from the start. We as fans cannot let the owners/players forget about this BS lockout, not for a long time.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:42 PM

Nick Kypreos@RealKyper
Good sign #NHL owners aren't willing to burn season but latest offer not close 2 getting deal done. #NHLPA counter offer already in works.

Gotta wonder if the NHLPA is willing to burn a season.


*shattered hopes*

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:45 PM

meh.

i'm done with getting my hopes up. i'm sure the pa will find something in their proposal that they don't like and talks will blow up accordingly

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:50 PM

Eklund's gained credibility over breaking this new offer is actually more interesting than the offer itself lol.

It's nice that this will lead to a deal but it's annoying that everyone involved knew it would probably be January till a deal was done pretty much right from the start. We as fans cannot let the owners/players forget about this BS lockout, not for a long time.

I agree. The best way to speak is with your wallet. The NHL makes a ton of money off gate receipts. Just don't go to games. That will be a pretty big blow to the NHL. The problem is that many people aren't dumping their season tickets over this. So the NHL and NHLPA have zero incentive to do anything for the fans.
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