Guest irishock Report post Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) I would be excited if I had not heard that 2-3x already during these 'negotiations'. First time I've heard that coaches were informed. Katie Strang @KatieStrangESPN #CBA Don't be surprised that Fehr decided no on disclaimer. Union guy that believes in model. Been told he has advised against it repeatedly Edited January 3, 2013 by irishock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 First time I've heard that coaches were informed. True dat. First time I think it WAS the coaches calling players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) Aaron Ward @aaronward_nhl NHLPA to hold 5pm conference call to provide update to players.#TSN Craig Custance @CraigCustance PA lawyers using Gary Bettman's own words from last night about disclaimer never being uttered as proof PA hasn't threatened to disclaim. Chris Johnston @reporterchris No word yet on when the NHLPA's second "disclaimer of interest" period would end. Edited January 3, 2013 by irishock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted January 3, 2013 Both the NHL and NHLPA use the media as their puppets. Most of the info out there is bogus and there are too many people trying to be the first one to report anything even if it aint true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 Report: PA requests NHL Podium presents Stanley Cup to future champions instead of Bettman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted January 3, 2013 Report: League requests Stanley Cup to be awarded to either the PA or the NHL Owners this year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted January 3, 2013 Next UFC match-up...Bettman vs Fehr. The Brawl to End it All. Finishing moves...Bettman has the 60 mil Cap Cross Face Chicken Wing. Fehr has the Make Whole HRR Figure 4 Leg Lock. Who wins? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Hatethedrake!" data-cid="2337499" data-time="1357251391"><p> Next UFC match-up...Bettman vs Fehr. The Brawl to End it All. Finishing moves...Bettman has the 60 mil Cap Cross Face Chicken Wing. Fehr has the Make Whole HRR Figure 4 Leg Lock. Who wins?</p></blockquote> Judge Cecil Peoples gives the win to the guy selling $15 beers in the upper level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted January 3, 2013 Next UFC match-up...Bettman vs Fehr. The Brawl to End it All. Finishing moves...Bettman has the 60 mil Cap Cross Face Chicken Wing. Fehr has the Make Whole HRR Figure 4 Leg Lock. Who wins? Vegas has it at Fehr -430. Not very good value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) Kypreos says that there are internal battles between small market owners and big market owners over the $60 mil cap proposal. Says NY Rangers, Detroit, Vancouver don't want that # to go down. NHLPA may sit back and let them figure it out for 1 or 2 days. Right now Bettman has it at 60, Fehr at 65. The Wings currently have 15 guys locked in for 2013-14 at $45 million. Hope Fehr doesn't file disclaimer. There's no way a season would be lost based on the issues remaining but a season would be lost with bad time management and strategy. So it sounds like Fehr is advising to the players not to do the disclaimer, and the players will pass through the vote and STILL give Fehr the discretion to file it or not? Wut? Edited January 3, 2013 by irishock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted January 3, 2013 Kenny needs the Cap at 65 so he can go after Getzlaf and Perry this summer who are UFAs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) Chris Johnston @reporterchris A group of players and union staff have just returned to the NHL office. More pension talk, apparently. Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun And still no word whether or not both sides meet tonight... Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun On CBA length: NHLPA willing to go to 10 years with opt-out after Year 7; NHL at 10 years with opt-out after Year 8 Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC players want expiry date to be June 30, NHL wants it to stay Sept. 15. more and more issues pop up it seems like... Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun Still 7-8 unresolved issues between both sides but big ones are Year 2 cap, length of player contracts, pensions... Renaud Lavoie @RenLavoieRDS The vote to give the power to the NHLPA executive board to use the disclaimer as started and will end Saturday at 6pm. Edited January 3, 2013 by irishock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted January 3, 2013 mathieu dandenault @mdandenault25 The nhl and nhlpa talks r dead for now...look for the players to disclaim...#lockout Uh oh. It's coming from Dandy.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 mathieu dandenault @mdandenault25 The nhl and nhlpa talks r dead for now...look for the players to disclaim...#lockout Uh oh. It's coming from Dandy.... Or just more public posturing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted January 3, 2013 Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie Belief within PA that Bettman/Batterman pulled bait and switch after initial disclaimer deadline passed. Bruce Garrioch @SunGarrioch As I said this morning, the tone of talks changed with disclaimer off the table as an option. Thus it is being brought back. Dan Rosen @drosennhl As was the case this afternoon, Don Fehr is not part of the ongoing small-group pension meeting between the NHL and NHLPA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted January 3, 2013 Nick Kypreos @RealKyper Told decision last nite to not file disclaimer totally fell on Don Fehr.#NHLPA Board gave Don sole power to make the decision either way Disclaimer thing is clearly a negotiation tactic. They'll pass the vote, Fehr again has the decision to file or not and he won't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted January 4, 2013 Or just more public posturing. mathieu dandenault @mdandenault25 I still believe their will be season...just very tough negociation... LMFAO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Chris Johnston @reporterchris There's still no indication if a full NHL bargaining session will be held tonight. Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun Players on conference call were angry about the HRR dust-up with the league. Foul mood right now on players' side Chris Johnston @reporterchris The small pension meeting has ended. Players and union staff just left NHL office. Aaron Portzline @Aportzline Players have been asked to limit public comments, but one NHLer said via text I could go w this: "The league is back to their old tricks." so not looking good once again Edited January 4, 2013 by irishock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted January 4, 2013 Per the warning post listed in the thread title, I've deleted a few more posts.Again, please keep the conversation relevant to the CBA negotiations. Everyone who's participated in the thread to this point has made it abundantly clear how they feel about Bettman, Fehr, etc. Here's the warning post again so people don't have to hunt back to #70 The owners vs. players debate has played out ad nauseum - please don't start it up again. We all know where everybody stands and no one's mind is going to change. Please discuss the details of the offers only. Sounds like a political debate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted January 4, 2013 Kypreos says that there are internal battles between small market owners and big market owners over the $60 mil cap proposal. Says NY Rangers, Detroit, Vancouver don't want that # to go down. NHLPA may sit back and let them figure it out for 1 or 2 days. Right now Bettman has it at 60, Fehr at 65. I've been saying from the beginning the owners need to decide what kind of system they want to play under. They're trying to take money from the players, but they're not all on the same page. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted January 4, 2013 Report: Stanley Cup caretaker guy with the white gloves hates lockouts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted January 4, 2013 Maclean: not the worst idea for both sides to take a step back and regroup with more optimistic attitude Needless to say this thing will go down the wire on Jan. 11th. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chances14 227 Report post Posted January 4, 2013 pa says league tried to sneak in hrr changes without them noticing. league says that they notified the pa of changes to hrr a week ago just another day in the life of the dysfunctional relationship that is the owners and pa 2 Uniblab and haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted January 4, 2013 John Shannon @JSportsnet NHLPA is still meeting internally. No word on whether they will walk the 4 blocks to meet the League. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted January 4, 2013 @Real_ESPNLeBrun: Both sides spoke separately with mediator this evening but they won't meet together until tomorrow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
