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#181 irishock

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:29 PM

Big group talks to begin soon this afternoon.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:40 PM

The comments I've seen on the proposal hint that the extra "round" would be a play in game or shortened play-in series (best of 3) for the bottom two qualifiers. The winner of the play-in then would take on the #1 seed.

Edit: So in essence, they're taking the new wild card format from Major League Baseball.

 

Best-of-three series? Not again? Might as well play "Rock, Paper, Scissors". Before you know it, shootouts will be introduced to the playoffs.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:43 PM

Players in NYC for CBA meetings today: Adams, Boyes, Campoli, Darche, DiPietro, Doan, Ference, Hainsey, Mayers, Parros, St. Louis, Westgarth

 

Parros and Campoli will F it uip


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:22 PM

I agree. The best way to speak is with your wallet. The NHL makes a ton of money off gate receipts. Just don't go to games. That will be a pretty big blow to the NHL. The problem is that many people aren't dumping their season tickets over this. So the NHL and NHLPA have zero incentive to do anything for the fans.

 

I still cannot wrap my head around this mentality. I am a hockey fan... I find enjoyment in watching it. I have missed a lot of hockey this season... to what end would I deprive myself of even more enjoyment by boycotting the NHL? On the slim chance that it will have long term effects on the minds of the NHL and NHLPA so that perhaps, perhaps, in 8-10 years when the new CBA expires, they will act more quickly?

 

There is no tangible benefit of cancelling season tickets or boycotting the NHL to a die-hard hockey fan - not when measured against the enjoyment you would be depriving yourself of. It may make you feel good emotionally, make you feel like you are teaching a lesson to some entity that you blame for the lockout... but again, is that worth the cost of missing out on your favorite sport?  I don't care for baseball, football, or basketball. I'm assuming that all of the individuals calling for boycotts are perfectly satisfied substituting hockey for other sports. I am not.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:39 PM

Mtngs resume tonight. Players made a presentation, countering leagues latest.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 04:25 PM

I still cannot wrap my head around this mentality. I am a hockey fan... I find enjoyment in watching it. I have missed a lot of hockey this season... to what end would I deprive myself of even more enjoyment by boycotting the NHL? On the slim chance that it will have long term effects on the minds of the NHL and NHLPA so that perhaps, perhaps, in 8-10 years when the new CBA expires, they will act more quickly?

 

There is no tangible benefit of cancelling season tickets or boycotting the NHL to a die-hard hockey fan - not when measured against the enjoyment you would be depriving yourself of. It may make you feel good emotionally, make you feel like you are teaching a lesson to some entity that you blame for the lockout... but again, is that worth the cost of missing out on your favorite sport?  I don't care for baseball, football, or basketball. I'm assuming that all of the individuals calling for boycotts are perfectly satisfied substituting hockey for other sports. I am not.

 

To each their own.I cancelled my season tickets after the last lockout, and I have no regrets.  I firmly believe that if  enough other fans had followed suit, we wouldn't be sitting here today talking about a lockout, we'd be talking about the Winter Classic. The only reason that the owners feel confident in having a lockout is because they believe enough fans feel more like you, than like me.  In the last lockout, they were right.  Who knows about this one. I may be derpriving myself of something I enjoy, but as a result, I've got 10k plus more per year that's in my pocket, not theirs, to find other things to enjoy.  Truthfully, I really don't miss the lousy parking situation, the pathetic facilities and the horrible customer service that is Joe Louis Arena.

 

If speaking with your dollars didn't matter, we'd still have New Coke.  And look what happened when Netflix decided to charge more and change their services. 



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Posted 02 January 2013 - 04:42 PM

I still cannot wrap my head around this mentality. I am a hockey fan... I find enjoyment in watching it. I have missed a lot of hockey this season... to what end would I deprive myself of even more enjoyment by boycotting the NHL? On the slim chance that it will have long term effects on the minds of the NHL and NHLPA so that perhaps, perhaps, in 8-10 years when the new CBA expires, they will act more quickly?

 

There is no tangible benefit of cancelling season tickets or boycotting the NHL to a die-hard hockey fan - not when measured against the enjoyment you would be depriving yourself of. It may make you feel good emotionally, make you feel like you are teaching a lesson to some entity that you blame for the lockout... but again, is that worth the cost of missing out on your favorite sport?  I don't care for baseball, football, or basketball. I'm assuming that all of the individuals calling for boycotts are perfectly satisfied substituting hockey for other sports. I am not.


Edited by Johnz96, 02 January 2013 - 07:40 PM.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 04:49 PM

To each their own.I cancelled my season tickets after the last lockout, and I have no regrets.  I firmly believe that if  enough other fans had followed suit, we wouldn't be sitting here today talking about a lockout, we'd be talking about the Winter Classic. The only reason that the owners feel confident in having a lockout is because they believe enough fans feel more like you, than like me.  In the last lockout, they were right.  Who knows about this one. I may be derpriving myself of something I enjoy, but as a result, I've got 10k plus more per year that's in my pocket, not theirs, to find other things to enjoy.  Truthfully, I really don't miss the lousy parking situation, the pathetic facilities and the horrible customer service that is Joe Louis Arena.

 

If speaking with your dollars didn't matter, we'd still have New Coke.  And look what happened when Netflix decided to charge more and change their services. 

 

I agree that money speaks... but I do believe that more fans feel like me, or will feel like me after a bit of time, meaning the effects of boycott will be negligible.  With Coke (Pepsi) and Netflix (numerous) people had other options, making boycott palatable for them... there are no suitable alternatives for a die hard hockey fan. My main point was that speaking with my money by boycotting the NHL is not worth the sacrifice.

 

Out of curiosity, are you (and did you) boycott the NHL altogether? The league makes a lot of money on apparel, and T.V. sponsorship as well. Not trying to have a 'gotcha' moment, just wondering.


Edited by RedWingsDad, 02 January 2013 - 04:53 PM.

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#189 irishock

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 04:50 PM

Any hockey fan who says they don't care if the season starts is a liar.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:42 PM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="ogreslayer" data-cid="2337327" data-time="1357154790"><p>
The comments I've seen on the proposal hint that the extra "round" would be a play in game or shortened play-in series (best of 3) for the bottom two qualifiers. The winner of the play-in then would take on the #1 seed.<br />
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Edit: So in essence, they're taking the new wild card format from Major League Baseball.</p></blockquote>

Its all stupid. The NHL should add Seattle and Portland. Then make 4 divisions of 4 teams in each conference. Take the top team from each division and seed 1 thru 4. Seed the best 4 of the rest 5 thru 8. Begin playoffs.

Pacific West: Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, San Jose
Southwest: Los Angeles, Anaheim, Phoenix, Dallas
Northwest: Calgary, Edmonton, Minnesota, Colorado
Midwest: Detroit, Columbus, St. Louis, Chicago

Atlantic East: New Jersey, NY Islanders, Washington, NY Rangers
Northeast: Philly, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Boston
Southeast: Nashville, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Florida
Canada East: Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, Winnepeg

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:48 PM

I agree that money speaks... but I do believe that more fans feel like me, or will feel like me after a bit of time, meaning the effects of boycott will be negligible.  With Coke (Pepsi) and Netflix (numerous) people had other options, making boycott palatable for them... there are no suitable alternatives for a die hard hockey fan. My main point was that speaking with my money by boycotting the NHL is not worth the sacrifice.

 

Out of curiosity, are you (and did you) boycott the NHL altogether? The league makes a lot of money on apparel, and T.V. sponsorship as well. Not trying to have a 'gotcha' moment, just wondering.

 

I still watch the games on TV for the most part.  But I don't attend games and don't buy any NHL merchandise. I haven't gone out of my way to boycott any sponsors. I do enjoy other sports, but hockey is definitely my favorite.  I see where you're coming from.  I do miss going to the games on occasion.   The lockout itself was reason enough, but the way the Wings handled things really put the nail in the coffin for me.  They took forever to refund the season ticket money and they really didn't go out of their way to do anything for the fans. The schedule and game times also played a part in it.  Just too many midweek games against Calgary and Columbus. In the late '90's, I had people begging for the tickets and they'd pay me more than face value.  Towards the end, I couldn't give those games away. Living in the far Western suburbs, the 7:38 game times, the length of the games and the parking and traffic mess often meant I didn't get home until well after 11pm. Could get away with that in my younger days, not so much now  :).   Still really love the Wings, but the business aspect of it has worn on me over the past few years.



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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:22 PM

From NHL player: "How they respond to our latest proposal will determine if we disclaim or not." Huge meeting tonight to say the least


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:29 PM

Feeling like anything can happen tonight, from a tentative agreement to wiping out the entire season over PENSION issues

 

But that's the NHL for you


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:52 PM

Per the warning post listed in the thread title, I've deleted a few more posts.

 

Again, please keep the conversation relevant to the CBA negotiations. 

 

Everyone who's participated in the thread to this point has made it abundantly clear how they feel about Bettman, Fehr, etc.

 

 

Here's the warning post again so people don't have to hunt back to #70

 

The owners vs. players debate has played out ad nauseum - please don't start it up again.  We all know where everybody stands and no one's mind is going to change.  Please discuss the details of the offers only.



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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:57 PM

NHL and PA are expected to resume talks around 815 tonight. Stay tuned. Potentially big night ahead of us. #tsn


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:11 PM

Any hockey fan who says they don't care if the season starts is a liar.

 

 

After the MLB strike in 1994, it took me more than a few years before I could watch a game again, and I grew up watching baseball with my dad.  I love baseball, it's my favorite sport.  I'm so pissed off at the NHL for letting this garbage happen again, that whether they come or they go.....I'm over it.  They've proven on more than one occasion that they don't give a damn about the fans, so why should the fans give a damn about them?  Everyone's greedy, everyone's in it for themselves, no one cares about US.  So....screw 'em.  They want my revenue dollars, they want my merchandising dollars, they want my time and effort?  They damn well better earn it back, just like baseball had to.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:57 PM

The sides are at least getting closer and talking. Thats a good thing.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:51 PM

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League is waiting for players reaction to their response tonight. Both sides are currently in caucus.



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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:03 PM

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League is waiting for players reaction to their response tonight. Both sides are currently in caucus.

 

Just came here to post that. 

 

And there's a pretty funny trend going on now called #DregerFace from his expression in a pic Lebrun tweeted.  Bored hockey fans are taking it and running with it. 



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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:10 PM

Just came here to post that. 

 

And there's a pretty funny trend going on now called #DregerFace from his expression in a pic Lebrun tweeted.  Bored hockey fans are taking it and running with it. 

yup and it has come to this lol

 

http://www.jibjab.co...KEmW8ofpaYF3eC0


and here comes the inevitable blow up

 

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Hearing both sides disappointed with lack of true movement in each other's new positions today... Key is to keep talking though..







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