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#241 Hatethedrake!

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:16 PM

Next UFC match-up...Bettman vs Fehr.  The Brawl to End it All.  Finishing moves...Bettman has the 60 mil Cap Cross Face Chicken Wing.  Fehr has the Make Whole HRR Figure 4 Leg Lock.  Who wins?


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:19 PM

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Next UFC match-up...Bettman vs Fehr.  The Brawl to End it All.  Finishing moves...Bettman has the 60 mil Cap Cross Face Chicken Wing.  Fehr has the Make Whole HRR Figure 4 Leg Lock.  Who wins?</p></blockquote>

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:29 PM

Next UFC match-up...Bettman vs Fehr.  The Brawl to End it All.  Finishing moves...Bettman has the 60 mil Cap Cross Face Chicken Wing.  Fehr has the Make Whole HRR Figure 4 Leg Lock.  Who wins?

 

 

Vegas has it at Fehr -430. Not very good value.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:36 PM

Kypreos says that there are internal battles between small market owners and big market owners over the $60 mil cap proposal. Says NY Rangers, Detroit, Vancouver don't want that # to go down. NHLPA may sit back and let them figure it out for 1 or 2 days. Right now Bettman has it at 60, Fehr at 65.

 

The Wings currently have 15 guys locked in for 2013-14 at $45 million.

 

Hope Fehr doesn't file disclaimer. There's no way a season would be lost based on the issues remaining but a season would be lost with bad time management and strategy.

 

So it sounds like Fehr is advising to the players not to do the disclaimer, and the players will pass through the vote and STILL give Fehr the discretion to file it or not? Wut?


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:42 PM

Kenny needs the Cap at 65 so he can go after Getzlaf and Perry this summer who are UFAs.


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We need someone like Parise that can penetrate the box.-blueadams

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:55 PM

A group of players and union staff have just returned to the NHL office. More pension talk, apparently.

 

 

And still no word whether or not both sides meet tonight...

 

 

On CBA length: NHLPA willing to go to 10 years with opt-out after Year 7; NHL at 10 years with opt-out after Year 8

 

 

players want expiry date to be June 30, NHL wants it to stay Sept. 15.

 

more and more issues pop up it seems like...

 

 

Still 7-8 unresolved issues between both sides but big ones are Year 2 cap, length of player contracts, pensions...

 

The vote to give the power to the NHLPA executive board to use the disclaimer as started and will end Saturday at 6pm.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:31 PM

The nhl and nhlpa talks r dead for now...look for the players to disclaim...#lockout

 

 

Uh oh. It's coming from Dandy....


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:39 PM

The nhl and nhlpa talks r dead for now...look for the players to disclaim...#lockout

 

 

Uh oh. It's coming from Dandy....

Or just more public posturing.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:45 PM

Belief within PA that Bettman/Batterman pulled bait and switch after initial disclaimer deadline passed.

 

 

As I said this morning, the tone of talks changed with disclaimer off the table as an option. Thus it is being brought back.

 

 

As was the case this afternoon, Don Fehr is not part of the ongoing small-group pension meeting between the NHL and NHLPA.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:51 PM

Told decision last nite to not file disclaimer totally fell on Don Fehr.#NHLPA Board gave Don sole power to make the decision either way

 

Disclaimer thing is clearly a negotiation tactic. They'll pass the vote, Fehr again has the decision to file or not and he won't.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 07:02 PM

Or just more public posturing.

 

I still believe their will be season...just very tough negociation...

 

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 07:30 PM

There's still no indication if a full NHL bargaining session will be held tonight.

 

 

Players on conference call were angry about the HRR dust-up with the league. Foul mood right now on players' side

 

 

The small pension meeting has ended. Players and union staff just left NHL office.

 

 

Players have been asked to limit public comments, but one NHLer said via text I could go w this: "The league is back to their old tricks."

 

 

 

so not looking good once again


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 07:53 PM

Per the warning post listed in the thread title, I've deleted a few more posts.

 

Again, please keep the conversation relevant to the CBA negotiations. 

 

Everyone who's participated in the thread to this point has made it abundantly clear how they feel about Bettman, Fehr, etc.

 

Here's the warning post again so people don't have to hunt back to #70

 

The owners vs. players debate has played out ad nauseum - please don't start it up again.  We all know where everybody stands and no one's mind is going to change.  Please discuss the details of the offers only.

Sounds like a political debate.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:00 PM

Kypreos says that there are internal battles between small market owners and big market owners over the $60 mil cap proposal. Says NY Rangers, Detroit, Vancouver don't want that # to go down. NHLPA may sit back and let them figure it out for 1 or 2 days. Right now Bettman has it at 60, Fehr at 65.

I've been saying from the beginning the owners need to decide what kind of system they want to play under. They're trying to take money from the players, but they're not all on the same page.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:04 PM

Report: Stanley Cup caretaker guy with the white gloves hates lockouts.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:11 PM

Maclean: not the worst idea for both sides to take a step back and regroup with more optimistic attitude

 

 

Needless to say this thing will go down the wire on Jan. 11th. 


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:30 PM

pa says league tried to sneak in hrr changes without them noticing. league says that they notified the pa of changes to hrr a week ago

 

just another day in the life of the dysfunctional relationship that is the owners and pa



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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:38 PM

NHLPA is still meeting internally. No word on whether they will walk the 4 blocks to meet the League.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:16 PM

@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Both sides spoke separately with mediator this evening but they won't meet together until tomorrow

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:25 PM

The NHLPA says it expects to hear from mediator Scot Beckenbaugh tomorrow morning about when CBA talks will resume.

 

 

 

 

RT @RenLavoieRDS: Kristopher Letang will be in Russia soon. He'll play in the KHL until the lockout is over.

 

bad sign

 

 

 

Maclean: hearing that only the NY Rangers oppose $60 Mil salary cap

 

I'd rofl if these issues result in a cancelled season.


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