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#101 Johnz96

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 02:36 PM

Why are you still comparing Hossa and Franzen?  Because they were both on the same team at the same time and because they were both free agents at the same time?  They are not the same type of player and never have been.  It's like comparing Lecavalier and Stamkos.  If those two were free agents at the same time, and Tampa kept Stamkos and let Lecavalier walk, nobody would say that they kept Stamkos to be Tampa's new power forward.

 

Also, Datsyuk and Malkin play the same position, and are both much more dangerous with the puck than without it.  They both can't have it at once. 

 

I agree that the Wings need more shooters, but arguing that they should acquire a shooter by losing a power forward creates one hole while replacing another. 

 

Now if you were to say "move Franzen and player X for Backes or Lucic" or someone like that, I would entertain your thoughts, because they are similar style players with varying degrees of success. 

 

But at the end of the day, if you have a line which consists of a shooter-playmaker-shooter, or playmaker-playmaker-power forward, or power forward-playmaker-power forward, then you've got too many people on one line that do the same things. 

 

Power forward-Playmaker-Shooter is the way to go.  If you had a line of Datsyuk, Radim Vrbata, and Franzen it would decimate this league and wouldn't require an all star like Hossa or Kovalchuk either.

Franzen is the closest thing we have to a sniper and the closest thing we have to a power forward. We need more of these type of players. I would still give him up with a package to get Lucic or Backes because they are also power forwards, younger and so much more physical.

Of course everybody would have preferred Hossa even Kenny but we couldn't afford him.


Edited by Johnz96, 08 January 2013 - 02:39 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 02:41 PM

Franzen is the closest thing we have to a sniper and the closest thing we have to a power forward. We need more of these type of players.

Of course everybody would have preferred Hossa even Kenny but we couldn't afford him.

 

Again, I don't see why people say Franzen is the closest thing we have to a sniper, most of his goals come from high traffic areas and down around the crease.  The closest thing we have to a sniper is Zetterberg, who loves to shoot and typically scores from the perimeter.  When Datsyuk and Zetterberg played together, Datsyuk carried the puck, drew the coverage, and set up Zetterberg for the finish.  That's why Zetterberg scored way more often back then (and not coincidentally, why Datsyuk had more assists back then).  But they still needed a guy to bang in the dirty goals, which is what Holmstrom did. 

 

Obviously Zetterberg can do more than just shoot, but on a team of limited "pure shooters" he's the closest thing we've got to one.  Not Franzen.

 

Now hopefully Brunner will be that, since all that guy does is shoot.  And if you watch most of his highlights with Zetterberg you'll notice that Z carries the puck, draws the coverage, finds Brunner in open areas, and Brunner finishes.  Just like is should be.


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Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:05 PM

I'm not sure why labels matter when we all know exactly what type of players our guys are. Labels are used to easily categorize, but we're already acquainted with the play style of a guy like Franzen. Unfortunately, there's Franzen the power forward sniper, which is what he is when he wants to skate and play hard. Then there's Franzen the slow dangler who looks for the perfect shot, who is neither sniper nor power forward when he floats.



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:07 PM

It won't matter soon, this summer Kenny will go balls out for either Corey Perry or Ryan Getzlaf. I'd like to see Perry together with Dats...er, playing to together that is.

 

I am only coparing Franzine and Hossa because one was chosen over the other and he has under performed. Hossa hasn't torn up Chicago, but he was a better compliment to Datsyuk.  Neither here nor there, we have Franzine and unless Kenny deals him for something that fits better, we are stuck with him.  It just gives me someone to blame for shortcomings of the team.

 

I do agree that a perfect top line would be a shooter - PM - power forward.  Problem is, if Franzine is the best thing we have to a power forward we are in deep doo-doo.  Add to that we don't yet have the shooter and that is why Datsyuk's stats continue to suffer...


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#105 The Axe

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:18 PM

Id like to see Getzlaf and Perry next year

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:29 PM

Fil - Pasha - Mule ------ SNP - PLY - PWF ------ Fil looks like he's becoming a more confident shooter

Goose - Hank - Brunner -- PLY - PLY - SNP ------ Need another PWF

Cleary - Helm - Logo ---- TWF - GRN - TWF ------ Good 3rd scoring line

Tuzzi - Abby - Toots ---- PWF - GRN - GRN ------ Physical line with scoring touch

 

Really liking the bottom 6 out of all of this. I think our bottom 6 could be our game changer this year. I think a lot is riding on how Goose and Brunner perform, obviously, but also Fil. Whether he continues to produce at a high level or not will be big.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:39 PM

Flips/Gus, Datsyuk, Franzen

Gus/Flips, Zetts, Brunner (Zetterberg and Brunner have been playing on the same line all season so far)

Bert, Helm, Sammy

Miller/Tootoo, Abby, Mursak/Cleary

Emmerton...we have too many forwards.

 

Kronwall/White

Big E/Quincey

Kindl/Smith

 

Howie

Monster

 

The Defense looks decent. It's up to Babcock to bring out it's potential. The offense, though. You can tell there's a lot of different options you can take. I, myself, would go Flips/Dats/Mule for first line. Gus/Zetts/Brunner for the 2nd. A Bert/Helm/Sammy 3rd line isn't bad either (skill/power/speed. Sammy seems to be a guy who's a jack of all trades).

 

The 4th line. Again, we have that issue with the 4th line. Miller? Excellent winger. I believe Abby is an excellent winger as well, but a mediocre center. But I think he's better than Emmerton, for now. But if he out plays Abby out of center, Abby is playing winger, for sure. That leaves Miller/Cleary/Mursak to fight it out.

 

We have too many forwards, and our 4th line is a potential mess.

 

EDIT: Tootoo? Bring him in when you need him. Although, we may play him simply because of presence. That still leaves too many bodies that can't fill the 4th line.


Edited by Dynheart, 08 January 2013 - 03:48 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

Fil - Pasha - Mule ------ SNP - PLY - PWF ------ Fil looks like he's becoming a more confident shooter

Goose - Hank - Brunner -- PLY - PLY - SNP ------ Need another PWF

Cleary - Helm - Logo ---- TWF - GRN - TWF ------ Good 3rd scoring line

Tuzzi - Abby - Toots ---- PWF - GRN - GRN ------ Physical line with scoring touch

 

Really liking the bottom 6 out of all of this. I think our bottom 6 could be our game changer this year. I think a lot is riding on how Goose and Brunner perform, obviously, but also Fil. Whether he continues to produce at a high level or not will be big.

Who is Logo and where's Sammy



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:53 PM

Who is Logo and where's Sammy

 

They're the same person.  Many people feel that Sammy is a logo hunter.


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:56 PM

Who is Logo and where's Sammy

 

Had to check your join date.

 

Sammy (in his last run with the Wings) was known as the Logohunter and Shinguard Assassin due to his tendency to hit the chests and shins of goalies and/or opponents blocking his shots.

 

He was also clutch and became one of my faves. 


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:56 PM

Flips/Gus, Datsyuk, Franzen

Gus/Flips, Zetts, Brunner (Zetterberg and Brunner have been playing on the same line all season so far)

Bert, Helm, Sammy

Miller/Tootoo, Abby, Mursak/Cleary

Emmerton...we have too many forwards.

 

Kronwall/White

Big E/Quincey

Kindl/Smith

 

Howie

Monster

 

The Defense looks decent. It's up to Babcock to bring out it's potential. The offense, though. You can tell there's a lot of different options you can take. I, myself, would go Flips/Dats/Mule for first line. Gus/Zetts/Brunner for the 2nd. A Bert/Helm/Sammy 3rd line isn't bad either (skill/power/speed. Sammy seems to be a guy who's a jack of all trades).

 

The 4th line. Again, we have that issue with the 4th line. Miller? Excellent winger. I believe Abby is an excellent winger as well, but a mediocre center. But I think he's better than Emmerton, for now. But if he out plays Abby out of center, Abby is playing winger, for sure. That leaves Miller/Cleary/Mursak to fight it out.

 

We have too many forwards, and our 4th line is a potential mess.

 

EDIT: Tootoo? Bring him in when you need him. Although, we may play him simply because of presence. That still leaves too many bodies that can't fill the 4th line.

 

 

Your 4th line has to be Miller - Abby - Tootoo in your scenario...Eaves is still hurt (?) and Emmy/Mursak just aren't gonna crack this lineup. Best to trade one of them and deal with the other when Eaves returns.  Which may not be until next season anyhow.  I guess I would keep Mursak over Emmy.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:11 PM

Your 4th line has to be Miller - Abby - Tootoo in your scenario...Eaves is still hurt (?) and Emmy/Mursak just aren't gonna crack this lineup. Best to trade one of them and deal with the other when Eaves returns.  Which may not be until next season anyhow.  I guess I would keep Mursak over Emmy.

 

Yes, no progress. He's still showing symptoms.



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:32 PM

Yes, no progress. He's still showing symptoms.

 

So he may as well stay away the entire 48 games. That leaves us with MIller/Emmy/Mursak as the rotating crew with another roster player and I think that is still one man too many...but it is a 24 man roster, so maybe that will work out, even moreso if Nyquist stays in GR.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:46 AM

http://www.freep.com..._medium=twitter

 

Babcock plans to play Datsyuk and Zetterberg together again. 


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:57 AM

Well we can stop speculating.  Helen St. James reporting on the initial lines for the Wings going into camp...

 

http://www.freep.com...0102/1053/rss17

 

Edit:  Haha, didn't realize someone else beat me to it.


Edited by kipwinger, 09 January 2013 - 01:58 AM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


#116 joesuffP

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:59 AM

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Franzen
Brunner-Flippula-Sammy
Bertuzzi-Helm-Cleary
Tootoo-Abdelkader-Miller

Looks good to me

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:08 AM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="joesuffP" data-cid="2338742" data-time="1357714791"><p>
Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Franzen<br />
Brunner-Flippula-Sammy<br />
Bertuzzi-Helm-Cleary<br />
Tootoo-Abdelkader-Miller<br />
<br />
Looks good to me</p></blockquote>

Not to me. Looks like if they shut our 1st line down, we're screwed.

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Brunner
Franzen-Filppula-Selanne
Nyquist-Helm-Samuelsson
Tootoo-Abdelkader-Cleary

That looks quicker and deeper to me.

#118 joesuffP

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:16 AM

Bert-helm-Cleary....Will feast on most 3rd lines especially if Cleary has a bounce back year.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:21 AM

they're loading up the top line? horrible idea.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:50 AM

top 2 lines are almost identical to those that we had in 2008 when we won the cup. (Other than Brunner for Homer)







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