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#41 Pskov Wings Fan

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:37 AM

According to today's Russian news Kovalchuk is going to play in the KHL All Stars game. Pavel and other NHL players (Ovechkin, Malkin, etc) got removed from the All Stars rosters.



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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ilya Kovalchuk will play KHL All Stars game in Chelyabinsk (12-13 Jan). It's official: http://www.khl.ru/ne.../1/9/57152.html

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Originally Posted by Now my bet - Kovalchuk will stay in KHL. Minimum - till the end of this season. Big war with NHL?

Pavel Lysenkov @plysenkov Shalaev: "The CBA will not be signed until Sunday. So Kovalchuk no employment relationship with the NHL, and he is going to Chelyabinsk".

Pavel Lysenkov @plysenkov Shalaev: "We are disappointed that all the other NHL stars were quick to go to North America".

Tom Gulitti @TGfireandice Lou Lamoriello said Ilya Kovalchuk did not ask Devils for permission to play in KHL all-star game.

Tom Gulitti @TGfireandice Lamoriello said start date of camp (almost definitely Sunday) is not official yet, so "I'm not getting into anything."

Tom Gulitti @TGfireandice Lamoriello on whether he expects Kovalchuk to be at 1st day of camp: "I have no knowledge of him not being here."

Tom Gulitti @TGfireandice Lamoriello on Kovalchuk: “I’m just going with the same that I have no reason to believe he won’t be here.”

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:34 AM

@SlavaMalamud: KHL Prez Medvedev to SportsDaily.ru: New CBA may be basis for terminating existing contracts, some players will stay.

 

@SlavaMalamud: More Medvedev. "NHL's opinion of itself is so high... OK, let them get drunk on their greatness. We'll see how many Euros look our way"

 

@SlavaMalamud: And more Medvedev. "Our league will act according to our own and international rules. If players decide to stay, we will help them."

 

@SlavaMalamud: And more Medvedev, who is winning the internet tonight: "There is no reason to fear (IIHF's sanctions against players who decide to stay)"

 

@TGfireandice: On Medvedev comments of KHL possibly challenging NHL contracts, Bill Daly said "We have no response. We will see what happens." Edit: New quotes

 

@SlavaMalamud: "Number of players have either decided to stay or are looking into it.. Can't divulge their names, will cause speculation" - Medvedev, again

 

@SlavaMalamud: "Some players asked their NHL teams to stay for the (KHL) All-Star Game, but were denied. The selfishness is understandable" - Medvedev


Edited by evilzyme, 09 January 2013 - 11:35 AM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:48 AM

@SlavaMalamud: KHL Prez Medvedev to SportsDaily.ru: New CBA may be basis for terminating existing contracts, some players will stay.

 

@SlavaMalamud: More Medvedev. "NHL's opinion of itself is so high... OK, let them get drunk on their greatness. We'll see how many Euros look our way"

 

@SlavaMalamud: And more Medvedev. "Our league will act according to our own and international rules. If players decide to stay, we will help them."

 

@SlavaMalamud: And more Medvedev, who is winning the internet tonight: "There is no reason to fear (IIHF's sanctions against players who decide to stay)"

 

@TGfireandice: On Medvedev comments of KHL possibly challenging NHL contracts, Bill Daly said "We have no response. We will see what happens." Edit: New quotes

 

@SlavaMalamud: "Number of players have either decided to stay or are looking into it.. Can't divulge their names, will cause speculation" - Medvedev, again

 

@SlavaMalamud: "Some players asked their NHL teams to stay for the (KHL) All-Star Game, but were denied. The selfishness is understandable" - Medvedev

 

Medvedev sounds like a slime ball, desperately waging a deceptive PR battle to try and sway NHL players to stay.

 

"Number of players have either decided to stay or are looking into it.. Can't divulge their names, will cause speculation"

 

Clever rhetoric, very subjective. All players referenced could be just 'looking into it'... which could mean anything.  Of course, he could just be making the 'number of players' up entirely... trying to spring board off of Kovy to make players think it is a growing movement in the hopes that they will be swayed to jump on the imaginary bandwagon.


Edited by RedWingsDad, 09 January 2013 - 11:51 AM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:08 PM

Medvedev sounds like a slime ball, desperately waging a deceptive PR battle to try and sway NHL players to stay.

 

"Number of players have either decided to stay or are looking into it.. Can't divulge their names, will cause speculation"

 

Clever rhetoric, very subjective. All players referenced could be just 'looking into it'... which could mean anything.  Of course, he could just be making the 'number of players' up entirely... trying to spring board off of Kovy to make players think it is a growing movement in the hopes that they will be swayed to jump on the imaginary bandwagon.

Guy sounds like a real d-bag. 


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:11 PM

Oh good grief... get off the cattle thing already. I think Datsyuk is smart enough to understand the context of Jimmy D's comments and not hold a personal grudge.

 

I would hold it against Dats if he stayed in Russia; he signed a contract and he would be severely letting down the Red Wings organization who has given him so much.

The way I see it is more like this. The Red Wings organization signed a contract and has severely let down Pasha who has given them so much.



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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:15 PM

The way I see it is more like this. The Red Wings organization signed a contract and has severely let down Pasha who has given them so much.

Please explain this? He still gets his money....The players pretty much got what they wanted on this CBA....so I am really lost on your anti nhl/red wings comments and the reason why dats should stay in the khl. I guess the question needs to be asked as well...if you hate the league and the wings so much why are you still posting on here?

Not that I care if you are on here or anything. Just curious. 


Edited by hillbillywingsfan, 09 January 2013 - 12:17 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:27 PM

Please explain this? He still gets his money....The players pretty much got what they wanted on this CBA....so I am really lost on your anti nhl/red wings comments and the reason why dats should stay in the khl. I guess the question needs to be asked as well...if you hate the league and the wings so much why are you still posting on here?

Not that I care if you are on here or anything. Just curious. 

I love the Wings.

I love hockey. Bettman is the worst thing to ever happen to the sport and I want us to do whatever we can to get rid of him. He is the epitome of all the bad things people say about lawyers and politicians.  Machiavellian is a perfect word to describe his management of the league. He is a text book case of the Napoleon Complex.

Pasha has entertained us, he has given us a Cup and has accepted a lot less to play for the Wings than he could have got on the open market. Essentialy he has paid millions of dollars (money he could have had) to play here. He has given us memories. And now they will pay him even less than what they signed him for (already a huge discount)


Edited by Johnz96, 09 January 2013 - 12:28 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:28 PM

The way I see it is more like this. The Red Wings organization signed a contract and has severely let down Pasha who has given them so much.

 

You're acting like the Red Wings organization personally was responsible for the lockout and what happened during the lockout. The Wings is simply one of the thirty franchises that were apart of the lockout, it wasn't anything that personally the Red Wings organization did to Pavel. Would I be mad as hell at Pavel if he didn't come back? Hell yeah, I love the man and want to see more of him, but then there's the actual reality side of it. He gets to see his daughter and wife daily now, he gets to be apart of their lives all while still playing the game he loves. His wife and daughter get to see the magic he displays on the ice live, his daughter gets to see her daddy play in front of their home country. He wanted his wife and daughter to stay in Russia so his daughter still got to grow up with the culture of Russia... so the family wouldn't lose it's heritage. I think that's amazing, and quite frankly it would be hard to pull me away from my family, unfortunately i've already gone through that enough with deployments. It blows, but then it comes down to the business of it. You signed that contract, just as I signed mine. When you're told to go somewhere, or you're expected to do something, you fulfill it. 


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:34 PM

You're acting like the Red Wings organization personally was responsible for the lockout and what happened during the lockout. The Wings is simply one of the thirty franchises that were apart of the lockout, it wasn't anything that personally the Red Wings organization did to Pavel. Would I be mad as hell at Pavel if he didn't come back? Hell yeah, I love the man and want to see more of him, but then there's the actual reality side of it. He gets to see his daughter and wife daily now, he gets to be apart of their lives all while still playing the game he loves. His wife and daughter get to see the magic he displays on the ice live, his daughter gets to see her daddy play in front of their home country. He wanted his wife and daughter to stay in Russia so his daughter still got to grow up with the culture of Russia... so the family wouldn't lose it's heritage. I think that's amazing, and quite frankly it would be hard to pull me away from my family, unfortunately i've already gone through that enough with deployments. It blows, but then it comes down to the business of it. You signed that contract, just as I signed mine. When you're told to go somewhere, or you're expected to do something, you fulfill it. 

That contract he signed isn't being honored



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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:38 PM

You're acting like the Red Wings organization personally was responsible for the lockout and what happened during the lockout. The Wings is simply one of the thirty franchises that were apart of the lockout, it wasn't anything that personally the Red Wings organization did to Pavel. Would I be mad as hell at Pavel if he didn't come back? Hell yeah, I love the man and want to see more of him, but then there's the actual reality side of it. He gets to see his daughter and wife daily now, he gets to be apart of their lives all while still playing the game he loves. His wife and daughter get to see the magic he displays on the ice live, his daughter gets to see her daddy play in front of their home country. He wanted his wife and daughter to stay in Russia so his daughter still got to grow up with the culture of Russia... so the family wouldn't lose it's heritage. I think that's amazing, and quite frankly it would be hard to pull me away from my family, unfortunately i've already gone through that enough with deployments. It blows, but then it comes down to the business of it. You signed that contract, just as I signed mine. When you're told to go somewhere, or you're expected to do something, you fulfill it. 

well said!


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:48 PM

well said!

Too bad it's not true. The Wings organization has broken that contract.



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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:03 PM

I love the Wings.

I love hockey. Bettman is the worst thing to ever happen to the sport and I want us to do whatever we can to get rid of him. He is the epitome of all the bad things people say about lawyers and politicians.  Machiavellian is a perfect word to describe his management of the league. He is a text book case of the Napoleon Complex.

Pasha has entertained us, he has given us a Cup and has accepted a lot less to play for the Wings than he could have got on the open market. Essentialy he has paid millions of dollars (money he could have had) to play here. He has given us memories. And now they will pay him even less than what they signed him for (already a huge discount)

 

i disagree with that part. at the time the contract was signed back in 07-08 i think he was given a market value contract at the time it was signed. he was the second highest paid wing behind lidstrom at the time

 

 

Too bad it's not true. The Wings organization has broken that contract.

 

 

 

no they didn't.

 

all standard player contracts are subject to any changes that a new cba brings


Edited by chances14, 09 January 2013 - 01:04 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:15 PM

i disagree with that part. at the time the contract was signed back in 07-08 i think he was given a market value contract at the time it was signed. he was the second highest paid wing behind lidstrom at the time

 

 

 

 

 

no they didn't.

 

all standard player contracts are subject to any changes that a new cba brings

Yeah and a confession is a confession, even when it's forced through torture. Oh I should have mentioned unappreciative fans.

He could have got a lot more if he went on the open market


Edited by Johnz96, 09 January 2013 - 01:17 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:17 PM

Totally agree that the Wings should have given Dats permission to play in the KHL All-Star game if he requested it. WTF Does Pavel Freaking Datsyuk have to show up for the first couple days of training camp for, when hes been playing his ass off for months in Russia while many of his teammates sat on the couch (yes, I'm talking to you, Franzen)??



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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:34 PM

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Kovalchuk, Burke... Can I make one more BREAKING NEW? Pavel Datsyuk will play on KHL All Stars Game in Chelyabinsk (12-13 Jan).

 

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

Totally agree that the Wings should have given Dats permission to play in the KHL All-Star game if he requested it. WTF Does Pavel Freaking Datsyuk have to show up for the first couple days of training camp for, when hes been playing his ass off for months in Russia while many of his teammates sat on the couch (yes, I'm talking to you, Franzen)??

 

Because when you run a franchise you need to set standards. When you represent your franchise and you're wearing the "A" you need to be the role model. It can go both ways, should the franchise allow him to play in the all-star game in front of his country? Absolutely! Unfortunately, if they did that, then they would have to allow any player that wanted to do something that weekend also. He's an leader on this team, and he needs to project a character that should be emulated by all. It wouldn't be fair for the franchise to give exceptions to one player, regardless if there were a superstar or not, and not give the exception to another. Also, they have a 5-6 day training camp, in which this franchise especially needs the time to get adjusted with one another and set up. Oh, and the fact that he's been playing on international ice along with many of our other players for the past 3 months, there will be an adjustment period regardless of skill, no doubt about it.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:33 PM

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Kovalchuk, Burke... Can I make one more BREAKING NEW? Pavel Datsyuk will play on KHL All Stars Game in Chelyabinsk (12-13 Jan).

 

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Why I am sure? Datsyuk said so. And give me his 6 hockey sticks (overweight of luggage). Told take it to Chelyabinsk. pic.twitter.com/SE6e76ow

 

Well then.  As long as he comes back, doesn't bother me if he plays in the All-Star game.

 

I will note I find it odd how people actually want to play in the KHL All-Star game but nobody wants to when the NHL has one.


Edited by rrasco, 09 January 2013 - 02:34 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:42 PM

Well then.  As long as he comes back, doesn't bother me if he plays in the All-Star game.

 

I will note I find it odd how people actually want to play in the KHL All-Star game but nobody wants to when the NHL has one.

 

It may be because this will be sort of a last hurrah for the guys playing over there, getting to say farewell to the fans. 

 

Whereas the all star game in the NHL means you don't get precious days off in the middle of a grueling season. 



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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:25 PM

Because when you run a franchise you need to set standards. When you represent your franchise and you're wearing the "A" you need to be the role model. It can go both ways, should the franchise allow him to play in the all-star game in front of his country? Absolutely! Unfortunately, if they did that, then they would have to allow any player that wanted to do something that weekend also. He's an leader on this team, and he needs to project a character that should be emulated by all. It wouldn't be fair for the franchise to give exceptions to one player, regardless if there were a superstar or not, and not give the exception to another. Also, they have a 5-6 day training camp, in which this franchise especially needs the time to get adjusted with one another and set up. Oh, and the fact that he's been playing on international ice along with many of our other players for the past 3 months, there will be an adjustment period regardless of skill, no doubt about it.

 

Yes. Franchise need to set standards. "We will try to accomodate our players if at all possible" is a good standard to set. If Pavel truly wants to play in KHL All Stars game then Wings have more to lose by denying him. This game is week before the NHL season starts. It is plenty of time given that he is in mid-season form already.







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