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[Bring Back The Bruise Bros]

This thread needs more Ryane Clowe.

[dirtydangles]

I've taken this roster and monified it for salary, just for discussion's sake (note - this is not MY preferred line-up, just a tidier version of Dirty's):

 

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
 

FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Corey Perry ($5.750m)
Nyquist Gustav ($1.200m) / Calle Jarnkrok ($0.900m) / Valterri  Filpulla ($4.000m)
Tomas Tatar ($0.840m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Damien  Brunner ($1.500m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) /   (NaN)
 

DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.775m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Ian White ($3.000m)
Brendan Smith ($1.200m) / Jakub Kindl ($1.000m)
Alex Edler ($5.500m) /
 

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($3.800m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
 

BUYOUTS
Johan Franzen (-$0.139m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,821,629; BONUSES: $495,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster):- $326,629

 

Not only does this not fit under the cap, but that's the smallest group of Wings forwards I've ever seen. Plus there is only room to buy out Franzen and Sammy. How does one just "get rid" of Bert, Emmerton, Eaves, Cackavo, etc?

 

Like I said, fantasy time is over, UNLESS someone could fit a Corey Perry and Edler type under next year's cap. Realistcally, that is.

 

Let me know if I'm wrong but the amnesty buyouts don't count against the cap. We get two. I'm sure someone would take Franzen on in a weaker team. Buyout Bert, Sammy. Eaves goes on IR. Emmerton and Colo could be traded with their low cap hits. This would easily fit under the cap and you could sign another forward or keep emmerton. 

[rick zombo]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="dirtydangles" data-cid="2339145" data-time="1357864925"><p>
Let me know if I'm wrong but the amnesty buyouts don't count against the cap. We get two. I'm sure someone would take Franzen on in a weaker team. Buyout Bert, Sammy. Eaves goes on IR. Emmerton and Colo could be traded with their low cap hits. This would easily fit under the cap and you could sign another forward or keep emmerton. </p></blockquote>

Well, I bought out Franzen, and Sammy. And yes, they don't count against the cap. Basically, I imagined, in your world that Kenny was able to buy out Franzen and Sammy, then somehow pawn Carlo, Bert, Emmerton, ect off on other teams. The roster I posted (your roster) does not include cap hits for any of these guys.

Howard, Flip, Nyquist, and Smith are all FAs and will get raises.

So, no, this roster can not easily fit under the cap. It can't even difficultly fit under the cap.

Edited by rick zombo, 10 January 2013 - 07:55 PM.

[Buppy]

BUYOUTS
Johan Franzen (-$0.139m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,821,629; BONUSES: $495,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster):- $326,629

 

Not only does this not fit under the cap, but that's the smallest group of Wings forwards I've ever seen. Plus there is only room to buy out Franzen and Sammy. How does one just "get rid" of Bert, Emmerton, Eaves, Cackavo, etc?

 

Like I said, fantasy time is over, UNLESS someone could fit a Corey Perry and Edler type under next year's cap. Realistcally, that is.

 

Teams have two amnesty buyouts, which do not count towards the cap. Those could be used on Bert and Sammy. (Since those are both 35+ contracts, buying them out without amnesty wouldn't make any sense, since it wouldn't save anything on the cap.)

 

Teams have an unlimited number of ordinary course buyouts, which do count toward the cap. Assuming we couldn't make any trades, and Eaves came back ready to play, buying out Mule, Cola, Eaves, and Emmy would cost around $1.1M in cap next year. Saves around $2M over your roster.

[rick zombo]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Buppy" data-cid="2339155" data-time="1357866993"><p>
<em class='bbc'><strong class='bbc'>BUYOUTS</strong><br />
Johan Franzen (-$0.139m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m)<br />
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 <br />
Teams have two <em class='bbc'>amnesty</em> buyouts, which do not count towards the cap. Those could be used on Bert and Sammy. (Since those are both 35+ contracts, buying them out without amnesty wouldn't make any sense, since it wouldn't save anything on the cap.)<br />
 <br />
Teams have an unlimited number of ordinary course buyouts, which do count toward the cap. Assuming we couldn't make any trades, and Eaves came back ready to play, buying out Mule, Cola, Eaves, and Emmy would cost around $1.1M in cap next year. Saves around $2M over your roster.</p></blockquote>

Look at that roster. It's 300,000 OVER the cap WITHOUT including any of those guys. Even if you were able to get rid of Bert, Carlo, Em-dog, etc without buying them out, you'd be 300,000 OVER the cap. If you had to buy them out, then that's 300,000 + 1.1M or whatever OVER the cap.

Edited by rick zombo, 10 January 2013 - 08:31 PM.

[Jaymister]

As much as I dislike him, I'd take Perry.  I'm not sure about Getzlaf though.  Talented player for sure but he gets a lot of grief from fans for taking nights off and not working hard every shift (sounds strangely familiar).  

 

After shopping Bobby Ryan several times now, I also wonder if the Ducks would finally commit to dealing him. 

 

I just think with how little top end talent the Ducks have now, that they will do whatever it takes to resign these guys.  I expect that they both will rebound from lousy seasons and try and get us much dough as possible.

 

As far as Ryan goes, I don't know who we could offer that would make sense for both teams.  I feel that acquiring a top end dmen is far more important for us right now.

[Buppy]

Look at that roster. It's 300,000 OVER the cap WITHOUT including any of those guys. Even if you were able to get rid of Bert, Carlo, Em-dog, etc without buying them out, you'd be 300,000 OVER the cap. If you had to buy them out, then that's 300,000 + 1.1M or whatever OVER the cap.

It's $300K over including ~$2.86M from buying out Franzen and Samuelsson. Also, the cap next year is $64.3M, not $64M even.

 

Subtract that $2.86, add the $1.1M, correct the cap, and that roster is roughly $1.4M under the cap. It's doable, though getting all those guys at those prices might not be.

 

Not that it would happen. Franzen won't be bought out, highly unlikely he'd even be traded. Bert and Sammy would have to suck pretty bad to get a buyout. Emmy likely gets traded or lost to waivers, maybe this year if Eaves comes back. If we add a new defenseman, he probably replaces White rather than Cola, just because Cola is already signed. If Eaves is healthy, we likely keep him rather than re-sign Miller or Mursak.

 

But it is technically possible to do.

[kipwinger]

Given that the cap is going down, depending on our play this year I think the best move is to resign our own free agents and do nothing else.  Taking on a big contract to the detriment of our depth is probably a bad idea for the next year or so.

[Spongewingredpants]

before we talk about all the potential top six forwards.....wouldnt a top 2 d-man make more sense?

 

[frankgrimes]

before we talk about all the potential top six forwards.....wouldnt a top 2 d-man make more sense?

 

I fully agree before going after forwards we need to fix the defense and thanks to the damn cap going down it won't be easy. 

[VM1138]

Let me know if I'm wrong but the amnesty buyouts don't count against the cap. We get two. I'm sure someone would take Franzen on in a weaker team. Buyout Bert, Sammy. Eaves goes on IR. Emmerton and Colo could be traded with their low cap hits. This would easily fit under the cap and you could sign another forward or keep emmerton. 

Why would you buy out Franzen? I don't get this.  Floater or not, the guy is extra scoring which the Wings badly need, at a reasonable price.

[Motown4013]

Why would you buy out Franzen? I don't get this.  Floater or not, the guy is extra scoring which the Wings badly need, at a reasonable price.

i agree- I am NOT, by any means a franzen fan....but where are we going to find someone who can put 25-30 goals in the net for his pricetag. He frustrates me like no other player but its like talk therapy ( I yell at the screen, it makes me feel better)

with that being said, I believe we are actually in great shape. We can get our roster down to be cap compliant next year without too much grief....think of Phily or the teams that have to shed 8 or 9 million. Thats a disaster.....we need a few key guys to step up (Brunner, Quincey ect) and we have a solid team despite what the critics say.

[rick zombo]

Why would you buy out Franzen? I don't get this.  Floater or not, the guy is extra scoring which the Wings badly need, at a reasonable price.

 

To free up cap space in order to add a #1 or #2 D-man. That's all really. That, and the term of Franzen's contract is depressing.

Edited by rick zombo, 11 January 2013 - 10:56 AM.

[Dabura]

I wouldn't throw Filppula out there, he's so hugely underrated by even us. He's such a complete player with great work ethic

 

Hugely underrated? By us?

 

Flip?

[The Axe]

Franzen is owed close to 20 million dollars. Why is everyone overlooking that? Buying him out isnt going to happen this year. Its stupid to even suggest it.

[robb himself]

Not sure why everyone wants to buy our Franzen...I get that his contract is long but it is at a reasonable price. Franzen was also our best goal scorer last year and can win play off games on his own.

 

Having Franzen on our team is far from our biggest issue.

[Dabura]

i agree- I am NOT, by any means a franzen fan....but where are we going to find someone who can put 25-30 goals in the net for his pricetag.

 

- I dunno. Where did we find him?

- We don't necessarily need a man-for-man, point-for-point, pound-for-pound, one-to-one replacement, especially if we're mainly talking regular-season production.

- "Where are we going to find someone who can put 25-30 goals in the net for his pricetag" Vs. "Where are we going to find someone who can score in the playoffs (and 1. consistently, 2. in the clutch)?

[shoobiedoobin]

Not sure why everyone wants to buy our Franzen...I get that his contract is long but it is at a reasonable price. Franzen was also our best goal scorer last year and can win play off games on his own.

It's this type of abused wife mindset that allows his poisonous attitude and play style to keep infecting the team. His goal scoring is massively overrated and his abilty to "win games on his own" not only was a little overblown, but those days are gone and any possibility of a return is out of the question as long as he's floating. Just like the beaten wife can find someone better, so can we. I don't often whip out the cap comparables, it's usually silly and not indicative of much but seriously look at this list and tell me all things considered you'd take Mule.

 

http://capgeek.com/c...les/?player=292

 

He's the only guy on the team who has a cap compable list that makes me sad.

Edited by shoobiedoobin, 11 January 2013 - 01:15 PM.

[blueadams]

Edler would certainly be the biggest need right now.  Cap space will be tight.

 

Looking to next year's free agents list, who would you make a play for?

 

Here are my top 5:

 

- Corey Perry OR Ryan Getzlaf

 

- Travis Zajac

 

- Alex Edler

 

- Mark Fistric

 

If we could pick up one of Perry/Getzlaf/Zajac it would make Franzen and Filppula expendable and they could be traded for a top dman. 

[shoobiedoobin]

^Personally I think we need a lot better than Edler. Maybe my standards are too high but we need more.