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#21 The Axe

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 03:17 PM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="GMRwings1983" data-cid="2339454" data-time="1357963259"><p>
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With the Wings playoff record the last few seasons, not attempting to improve the team makes no sense.  Obviously, it'd be a big and potentially risky move, but not as risky as say trading a younger player might be. <br />
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I'm just saying that Holland should look at it.  We don't have many "tradeable" pieces, and I wouldn't trade Smith at this point.  Maybe not even Nyquist.     </p></blockquote>

And Im just saying that if you think Hland is going to spend 22.5 mil to get rid of the team's top scorer who's cap hit is more than tolerable, you need a lobotomy.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 03:36 PM

Franzen is our best goal scorer (I hope that Brunner could be 30 goal scorer in the regular 82 games season)... and it's not like he has no trading value... So suggesting that Franzen is buyout candidat is just STUPID.


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 03:44 PM

Franzen is our best goal scorer (I hope that Brunner could be 30 goal scorer in the regular 82 games season)... and it's not like he has no trading value... So suggesting that Franzen is buyout candidat is just STUPID.

 

Hop over to the Blueadams line thread for a real good post about how Nyquist and Tatar are actually better than Franzen and Bertuzzi.  It's a real crack up. 


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#24 Dominator2005

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 03:51 PM

Hop over to the Blueadams line thread for a real good post about how Nyquist and Tatar are actually better than Franzen and Bertuzzi.  It's a real crack up. 

 

Nyquist and Tatar will have to prove that they can compete in the NHL. Let'S not start another false hype over Nyquist and Tatar... just like was case with Leino and that other player who ended up in Tampa...

 

Give all needed time to Nyquist to developpe and then we can compare him with Franzen.


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 04:22 PM

I completely agree.  However, one amongst us thinks that's Nyquist is already better than Franzen.  Like I said, it's a real crack up. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 04:38 PM

...and the funny part is that I wanted Hossa to stay instead of Franzen... :)


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 04:44 PM

Buying him out is silly, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be considered a viable trade option.  

 

It's not just one or two posters who have a problem with Franzen's work ethic.  It's tons of posters.  He doesn't seem like a guy who plays with passion all the time.  

 

Give him Helm's work ethic, and you'll see what I mean.  

 

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 04:57 PM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="GMRwings1983" data-cid="2339454" data-time="1357963259"><p>
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With the Wings playoff record the last few seasons, not attempting to improve the team makes no sense.  Obviously, it'd be a big and potentially risky move, but not as risky as say trading a younger player might be. <br />
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I'm just saying that Holland should look at it.  We don't have many "tradeable" pieces, and I wouldn't trade Smith at this point.  Maybe not even Nyquist.     </p></blockquote>

And Im just saying that if you think Hland is going to spend 22.5 mil to get rid of the team's top scorer who's cap hit is more than tolerable, you need a lobotomy.

 

Did you read my post?  I never said we should buy him out.  


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:03 PM

Hop over to the Blueadams line thread for a real good post about how Nyquist and Tatar are actually better than Franzen and Bertuzzi.  It's a real crack up. 

 

I think they are from the standpoint that they are workhorses for now at least. Skill wise Franzen takes the cake, the problem is he only shows up when he feels like it. If I had to choose between Helm and Franzen, guess what Franzen would be packing his bags. Helm comes out every night and gives %110 percent, thats why he is better than franzen, thats why Nyquist, smith, and tatar are better than franzen.When you score 20 goals in a month and then 10 goals in the next 4 months you obviously don't care enough 



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Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:25 PM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="GMRwings1983" data-cid="2339556" data-time="1358027824"><p>
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Did you read my post?  I never said we should buy him out.  </p></blockquote>

Of course I read it. And you suggested Holland should "look at it". Now Im trying to convince you the thought wont cross his mind. 22.5 million. Its Holland's ASS if he throws 22.5 million away after he signed the player. 1st, its a good contract as of right now. 2nd, Holland aint gonna cancel it because he drew it up. A new GM cancels the old GM's contracts. Simple business.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:24 PM

As much as I hate Franzen, it would be a stupid move to buy him out, the only way we get rid of his inconsistent ass is by trade, and it would have to be something that makes sense. He isn't going anywhere unless a team has to have him and willing to give us a great player. That my friends isn't gonna happen.



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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:38 PM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Jericho613" data-cid="2339572" data-time="1358033044"><p>
As much as I hate Franzen, it would be a stupid move to buy him out, the only way we get rid of his inconsistent ass is by trade, and it would have to be something that makes sense. He isn't going anywhere unless a team has to have him and willing to give us a great player. That my friends isn't gonna happen.</p></blockquote>

There you go.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:56 PM

...When you score 20 goals in a month and then 10 goals in the next 4 months you obviously don't care enough 

 

Franzen's never done that. Over the last 4 years, he's been about as consistent as a ~30g scorer ever is. An occasional multi-goal game or streak, an occasional 4-8 game drought, same as every goal scorer.

 

He had one bad slump at the end of 10-11, which happened to follow a 5-goal game. That seems to have given some the impression that he could score 5 whenever he wants. Add to that the fact that he's not a very fast skater and not very tough equals some people thinking he's "lazy and sucks". Prime target for scapegoating.



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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:21 PM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="GMRwings1983" data-cid="2339556" data-time="1358027824"><p>
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Did you read my post?  I never said we should buy him out.  </p></blockquote>

Of course I read it. And you suggested Holland should "look at it". Now Im trying to convince you the thought wont cross his mind. 22.5 million. Its Holland's ASS if he throws 22.5 million away after he signed the player. 1st, its a good contract as of right now. 2nd, Holland aint gonna cancel it because he drew it up. A new GM cancels the old GM's contracts. Simple business.

 

You still didn't read it.  

 

On the first page, I said Holland should look at possibly trading Franzen.  That's what I was referring to by "look at it".  I also said he shouldn't buy him out.  You're making this too hard for me.  


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:24 PM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="GMRwings1983" data-cid="2339576" data-time="1358036474"><p>
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You still didn't read it.  <br />
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On the first page, I said Holland should look at possibly trading Franzen.  That's what I was referring to by "look at it".  I also said he shouldn't buy him out.  You're making this too hard for me.  </p></blockquote>


You are fumbling badly. Just admit that youve finally realized what his contract looks like. I will givr you credit for that.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:32 PM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="GMRwings1983" data-cid="2339576" data-time="1358036474"><p>
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You still didn't read it.  <br />
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On the first page, I said Holland should look at possibly trading Franzen.  That's what I was referring to by "look at it".  I also said he shouldn't buy him out.  You're making this too hard for me.  </p></blockquote>


You are fumbling badly. Just admit that youve finally realized what his contract looks like. I will givr you credit for that.

 

Look at what I wrote on the first page in this thread.  Facts don't lie.  It's been there the whole time.  You should try actually reading your thread.

 

You created this thread whining about something I haven't heard anyone here on LGW suggest (buying out Franzen), let alone enough people to justify starting a thread.  Now you're saying that I'm one of the people who advocates that position, even though I stated in this very thread that I didn't?  LOL.  

 

Maybe you're just trying to find someone to argue with.  And for the love of Satan, learn how to respond to quotes properly.       ;)


Edited by GMRwings1983, 12 January 2013 - 07:33 PM.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:33 PM

I think they are from the standpoint that they are workhorses for now at least. Skill wise Franzen takes the cake, the problem is he only shows up when he feels like it. If I had to choose between Helm and Franzen, guess what Franzen would be packing his bags. Helm comes out every night and gives %110 percent, thats why he is better than franzen, thats why Nyquist, smith, and tatar are better than franzen.When you score 20 goals in a month and then 10 goals in the next 4 months you obviously don't care enough 

 

Now Helm and Tatar are "better" than Franzen too.  Is someone playing a practical joke on me?  Am I being punked? 

 

It's pretty obvious they they work harder, and if that alone makes them better in your eyes then great, but I hope you realize how seriously flawed that thinking is.  For instance, Jiri Hudler was a real hard worker, was he better than Franzen too?

 

Hell, Chris Conner was an absolute machine last season, worked his ass off.  Few people tried as hard as he did, should we have put him on the top six too?


Edited by kipwinger, 12 January 2013 - 07:36 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:35 PM

Now Helm and Tatar are "better" than Franzen too.  Is someone playing a practical joke on me?  Am I being punked? 

 

It's pretty obvious they they work harder, and if that alone makes them better in your eyes then great, but I hope you realize how seriously flawed that thinking is.  For instance, Jiri Hudler was a real hard worker, was he better than Franzen too? 

 

Hudler worked hard?  


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:47 PM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="GMRwings1983" data-cid="2339580" data-time="1358037134"><p>
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Look at what I wrote on the first page in this thread.  Facts don't lie.  It's been there the whole time.  You should try actually reading your thread.<br />
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You created this thread whining about something I haven't heard anyone here on LGW suggest (buying out Franzen), let alone enough people to justify starting a thread.  Now you're saying that I'm one of the people who advocates that position, even though I stated in this very thread that I didn't?  LOL.  <br />
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Maybe you're just trying to find someone to argue with.  And for the love of Satan, learn how to respond to quotes properly.       ;)</p></blockquote>


You are on track now.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:55 PM

Now Helm and Tatar are "better" than Franzen too.  Is someone playing a practical joke on me?  Am I being punked? 

 

It's pretty obvious they they work harder, and if that alone makes them better in your eyes then great, but I hope you realize how seriously flawed that thinking is.  For instance, Jiri Hudler was a real hard worker, was he better than Franzen too?

 

Hell, Chris Conner was an absolute machine last season, worked his ass off.  Few people tried as hard as he did, should we have put him on the top six too?

 

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Now Helm and Tatar are "better" than Franzen too.  Is someone playing a practical joke on me?  Am I being punked? 

 

It's pretty obvious they they work harder, and if that alone makes them better in your eyes then great, but I hope you realize how seriously flawed that thinking is.  For instance, Jiri Hudler was a real hard worker, was he better than Franzen too?

 

Hell, Chris Conner was an absolute machine last season, worked his ass off.  Few people tried as hard as he did, should we have put him on the top six too?

Helm - 26 points playing a defensive role on the 3rd and 4th line everynight...

 

Franzine - 56 points playing on the top line along side Pavel Datsyuk most of the season...

 

Sorry bub, Helm is better than Franzine PLUS Helm earns his money...


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