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Franson's a big guy. For some reason I feel like he's been criticized for his lack of adequate use of his size. He looks like he's got some offensive upside. Why would Toronto get rid of him in the first place? And I agree that Komisarek seems like the more likely candidate to go. I'd be on board for Komisarek coming here, and I know you would too.

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I'd take Franson in a heartbeat, but seeing that The Leafs just signed him for 1 year at $1.2 million on Sunday, I can't believe that they would be dealing him.

He's got good size, though he could add a little more muscle. He has a rifle of a shot and is right handed, and has good offensive upside. His defensive end game could use a little work, but he has only played 3 years in the NHL and seems to improve every year. I kind of see him as a mix between Big Rig and Kindl, still a little raw and needing more playing time to mature. Surprising stat was 80 games played 29 points, and only 30 PIM's 2 years ago in Nashville. He's not the big bruiser I'd like on our back line, but he could possibly become a little more defense oriented. Remember, Big E was supposed to be a puck mover, but is working better into a shutdown role every season. Of course, Franson could become Willie Huber, also.

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Not interested in Franson. A good 5 or 6th defenseman with decent size, offensive upside, and who's shaky in his defensive zone play? Sounds like every other member of our defensive corps.

For the millionth time Kenny, how about a guy who is essentially Brad Stuart 2.0. Good size, good defense, able to play top pair minutes against top forwards. Only maybe get someone a little meaner this time. Thanks, MGMT.

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The logic behind the Leafs potentially moving Franson is that they have a number of defensemen on the roster that if sent down to the minors they fear could be lost to waiver wire acquisitions (i.e Holzer). Since Franson could garner some mild interest and a move could be made quickly (before the start of the season/23 man roster set) it makes sense.

That being said, I don't necessarily think the Leafs make this move but to me, that's the logic behind the thinking of St. James (or whoever actually thought this up).

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I agree - would love to have a "tougher" version of Stewie, but unfortunately I feel we'll not see one of those types donning a Red Wings uniform anytime soon.

Ah - thanks for the clarification...Looks like I owe Helene St.James an apology, or maybe I should just send her a box of chocolates :lol:

Not tougher, per se, because Stuart was really tough, but meaner. Anyway, I don't think it's that far fetched. We've got a ton of puck movers, and they're hoping Ericsson and Quincey can play a shutdown role. If they can't, and it's a problem early, then they'll move on a guy. Defensive defensemen don't typically cost too much to acquire. If it's a problem it will be addressed, probably very much like when it was a problem and they brought Stuart in in the first place.

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I think trading for Komisarek or Bouwmeester this season would be a bad move. Both of them are being speculated as potential amnesty buyout candidates this summer depending on how they play this season. If that's the cas, Holland would be able to sign one of them as a UFA and lose nothing from the roster. Plus they would be cheaper. Depending on whether Calgary or Toronto keeps some salary from either of them in a trade, the Red Wings would absorb a potential cap hit of 3.3 to 6.6 million on Bouwmeester and a potential 2.25 to 4.5 million hit for Komisarek. Not worth it in my eyes, and I also don't see Calgary or Toronto absorbing any of the salaries unless the players coming over were worth them keeping some of the cap hit.

I think if Holland does anything this year on D, he'll wait till the deadline. Unless injuries pile up, of course. I can see him picking up a 1st/2nd pair dman that is slated to become a UFA this summer as a rental so as to not take on a future cap hit. This would be for a couple of reasons:

1. He needs cap space because he's going to be busy this summer seeing that he needs to resign or replace upcoming UFA's Filppula, Howard, White, Brunner, Miller and Cleary and RFA's Smith, Kindl, Nyquist, Andersson, Lashoff, and Mursak.

2. A handful of teams are going to have to move some players around to get complaint for the lowered cap, which could put some interesting players on the market this summer.

That's just my opinion though. Who knows what Holland will actually do. I'd really like to see how the D we have performs before making any judgements.

Edited by DSM

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Right handed shot, can play physical, decent on both sides of the ice and a decent contract to take on. I haven't watched him a ton but he's still improving at a good age of 25 is what most people are saying.

TBH I don't know why Toronto wants to get rid of him. Like mentioned earlier by someone they should try getting rid of a few other d-men before Franson. All opinion of course :P



One of the better options I've heard for d-men out there and the price could be reasonable without giving up an arm and a leg. Just saying.

Edited by St. Michael (the Red Wing)

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I read that we have interest in Bogosian. I wonder what they'd want for him. I wouldn't mind Bouwmeester if the deal was right and I think it could be. He's in the last year of his deal and there's nothing going around that he has a huge interest in staying. Calgary can't exactly be picky, he's more likely to walk in a few months for nothing. We can afford him for now and I don't think he's done enough to warrant a raise, even if Calgary's dead ass defensive system completely neutered his play style. The only negative I see aside from him potentially playing poorly (a risk you take with almost any player) is that he could walk from us in a few months too. But I kinda doubt he would. He's played on dysfunctional horrible teams his whole career. We not only make players feel more at home and more inclined to stay, but we could be his ticket to the postseason for the first time and years to come. If the asking price is right I'd risk it.

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Right handed shot, can play physical, decent on both sides of the ice and a decent contract to take on. I haven't watched him a ton but he's still improving at a good age of 25 is what most people are saying.

TBH I don't know why Toronto wants to get rid of him. Like mentioned earlier by someone they should try getting rid of a few other d-men before Franson. All opinion of course :P

One of the better options I've heard for d-men out there and the price could be reasonable without giving up an arm and a leg. Just saying.

Well I definitely hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Franson plays pretty much the exact same game as Kyle Quincey, except maybe less defensively responsible. He's a guy with decent size, who CAN play the PP but shouldn't, who COULD be more physical but isn't, who's alright defensively but not shutdown capable, and who's a decent puck mover but not going to give you much more that 25-30 pts.

There's nothing especially bad about Franson, but there's nothing that makes him any better than White, Colaiacovo, or Quincey. He's considerably worse than Kronwall. Doesn't play as big as Ericsson. So you'd essentially be trading for a 5,6,7 defenseman who's an upgrade over Kindl but nothing else.

I'd rather they save the assets and move on a legit top four d-man. Not take on another middling defenseman to log jam the bottom pair.

Also, as I've already stated. It would be nice if at least one of our defensemen was actually REALLY good at playing defense rather than just putting up points.

Edited by kipwinger

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Well I definitely hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Franson plays pretty much the exact same game as Kyle Quincey, except maybe less defensively responsible. He's a guy with decent size, who CAN play the PP but shouldn't, who COULD be more physical but isn't, who's alright defensively but not shutdown capable, and who's a decent puck mover but not going to give you much more that 25-30 pts.

There's nothing especially bad about Franson, but there's nothing that makes him any better than White, Colaiacovo, or Quincey. He's considerably worse than Kronwall. Doesn't play as big as Ericsson. So you'd essentially be trading for a 5,6,7 defenseman who's an upgrade over Kindl but nothing else.

I'd rather they save the assets and move on a legit top four d-man. Not take on another middling defenseman to log jam the bottom pair.

Also, as I've already stated. It would be nice if at least one of our defensemen was actually REALLY good at playing defense rather than just putting up points.

Fair enough and I'm not gonna argue with you. I see you're point about Franson being a 5,6,7 d-man. I think he could become better than that but oh well. Not a # 1 or 2 guy but more 3 or 4 guy. I agree with the Quincey comparison though. However I'm a firm believer in guys that change organzations and systems sometimes it brings out the better in them. Probably a long shot at getting Franson so I'm not holding my breath. But I'm still gonna pass on Bouwmeester and highly doubt Bogosian gets traded. Along with Yandle which I wouldn't mind. The price tags are more than likely going to be steep.

Who do you like again as potential top 4-man via trade or signing?

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Fair enough and I'm not gonna argue with you. I see you're point about Franson being a 5,6,7 d-man. I think he could become better than that but oh well. Not a # 1 or 2 guy but more 3 or 4 guy. I agree with the Quincey comparison though. However I'm a firm believer in guys that change organzations and systems sometimes it brings out the better in them. Probably a long shot at getting Franson so I'm not holding my breath. But I'm still gonna pass on Bouwmeester and highly doubt Bogosian gets traded. Along with Yandle which I wouldn't mind. The price tags are more than likely going to be steep.

Who do you like again as potential top 4-man via trade or signing?

Bogosian and Anton Volchenkov. I think either of them could be had if you were willing to part with Nyquist (or maybe Tatar) as their respective teams need a lot of offensive help. Bogosian has been actively being shopping since last year's trade deadline.

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Bogosian and Anton Volchenkov. I think either of them could be had if you were willing to part with Nyquist (or maybe Tatar) as their respective teams need a lot of offensive help. Bogosian has been actively being shopping since last year's trade deadline.

I mean yeah I would trade Nyquist or Tatar for Bogosian in a heartbeat too. But I doubt Cheveldayoff goes for that but who knows. The good news is Kenny is looking around...

Edited by St. Michael (the Red Wing)

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jets will likely not move bogosian, and certainly not for some lightweight prospect like nyquist.

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