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#141 F.Michael

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 08:54 AM

With Nonis making so many moves, it seems like here is somewhat of a possibility of him being moved, especially since he'll likely be bought out at the end of the year if he continues to underperform. Toronto might as well get something for him.

If there was a "taker" for Komisarek - then he'd def be on the trading block...That said - I seriously doubt anyone wants him with his current contract...If he were bought out, and available via UFA - then I wouldn't mind seeing him on our roster at a much MUCH reduced price tag.



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:02 AM

True. His contract is quite inflated.

What are your thoughts on Franson? I don't know a whole lot about him.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:17 AM

True. His contract is quite inflated.

What are your thoughts on Franson? I don't know a whole lot about him.

From what little I've seen he could be a respectable #4 thru #6 Dman for us...Being right handed, can play the pp, is a decent skater, and is "ok" in his end of the ice are all a bonus...This mind you is coming mostly from his days in Nashville; so far in Toronto he's appeared to be doing  alright.

 

Not sure what Helene St.James is thinking though; at Franson's price tag, and ability - why would the Leafs want to move him?

 

IMHO Nonis should buy out Komisarek, and keep Franson.



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:58 AM

I'd take Franson in a heartbeat, but seeing that The Leafs just signed him for 1 year at $1.2 million on Sunday, I can't believe that they would be dealing him.

He's got good size, though he could add a little more muscle. He has a rifle of a shot and is right handed, and has good offensive upside. His defensive end game could use a little work, but he has only played 3 years in the NHL and seems to improve every year. I kind of see him as a mix between Big Rig and Kindl, still a little raw and needing more playing time to mature. Surprising stat was 80 games played 29 points, and only 30 PIM's 2 years ago in Nashville. He's not the big bruiser I'd like on our back line, but he could possibly become a little more defense oriented. Remember, Big E was supposed to be a puck mover, but is working better into a shutdown role every season. Of course, Franson could become Willie Huber, also.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:10 AM

I'd take Franson in a heartbeat, but seeing that The Leafs just signed him for 1 year at $1.2 million on Sunday, I can't believe that they would be dealing him.

He's got good size, though he could add a little more muscle. He has a rifle of a shot and is right handed, and has good offensive upside. His defensive end game could use a little work, but he has only played 3 years in the NHL and seems to improve every year. I kind of see him as a mix between Big Rig and Kindl, still a little raw and needing more playing time to mature. Surprising stat was 80 games played 29 points, and only 30 PIM's 2 years ago in Nashville. He's not the big bruiser I'd like on our back line, but he could possibly become a little more defense oriented. Remember, Big E was supposed to be a puck mover, but is working better into a shutdown role every season. Of course, Franson could become Willie Huber, also.

It really makes no sense for the Leafs to move him...St.James must be wanting attention.



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:59 AM

Not interested in Franson.  A good 5 or 6th defenseman with decent size, offensive upside, and who's shaky in his defensive zone play?  Sounds like every other member of our defensive corps. 

 

For the millionth time Kenny, how about a guy who is essentially Brad Stuart 2.0.  Good size, good defense, able to play top pair minutes against top forwards.  Only maybe get someone a little meaner this time.  Thanks, MGMT.


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:05 AM

The logic behind the Leafs potentially moving Franson is that they have a number of defensemen on the roster that if sent down to the minors they fear could be lost to waiver wire acquisitions (i.e Holzer).  Since Franson could garner some mild interest and a move could be made quickly (before the start of the season/23 man roster set) it makes sense. 

 

That being said, I don't necessarily think the Leafs make this move but to me, that's the logic behind the thinking of St. James (or whoever actually thought this up).


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:06 PM

Not interested in Franson.  A good 5 or 6th defenseman with decent size, offensive upside, and who's shaky in his defensive zone play?  Sounds like every other member of our defensive corps. 

 

For the millionth time Kenny, how about a guy who is essentially Brad Stuart 2.0.  Good size, good defense, able to play top pair minutes against top forwards.  Only maybe get someone a little meaner this time.  Thanks, MGMT.

I agree - would love to have a "tougher" version of Stewie, but unfortunately I feel we'll not see one of those types donning a Red Wings uniform anytime soon.

 

The logic behind the Leafs potentially moving Franson is that they have a number of defensemen on the roster that if sent down to the minors they fear could be lost to waiver wire acquisitions (i.e Holzer).  Since Franson could garner some mild interest and a move could be made quickly (before the start of the season/23 man roster set) it makes sense. 

 

That being said, I don't necessarily think the Leafs make this move but to me, that's the logic behind the thinking of St. James (or whoever actually thought this up).

Ah - thanks for the clarification...Looks like I owe Helene St.James an apology, or  maybe I should just send her a box of chocolates :lol:



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:15 PM

I agree - would love to have a "tougher" version of Stewie, but unfortunately I feel we'll not see one of those types donning a Red Wings uniform anytime soon.

 

Ah - thanks for the clarification...Looks like I owe Helene St.James an apology, or  maybe I should just send her a box of chocolates :lol:

 

Not tougher, per se, because Stuart was really tough, but meaner.  Anyway, I don't think it's that far fetched.  We've got a ton of puck movers, and they're hoping Ericsson and Quincey can play a shutdown role.  If they can't, and it's a problem early, then they'll move on a guy.  Defensive defensemen don't typically cost too much to acquire.  If it's a problem it will be addressed, probably very much like when it was a problem and they brought Stuart in in the first place. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:20 PM

I think trading for Komisarek or Bouwmeester this season would be a bad move. Both of them are being speculated as potential amnesty buyout candidates this summer depending on how they play this season. If that's the cas, Holland would be able to sign one of them as a UFA and lose nothing from the roster. Plus they would be cheaper. Depending on whether Calgary or Toronto keeps some salary from either of them in a trade, the Red Wings would absorb a potential cap hit of 3.3 to 6.6 million on Bouwmeester and a potential 2.25 to 4.5 million hit for Komisarek. Not worth it in my eyes, and I also don't see Calgary or Toronto absorbing any of the salaries unless the players coming over were worth them keeping some of the cap hit.

 

I think if Holland does anything this year on D, he'll wait till the deadline. Unless injuries pile up, of course. I can see him picking up a 1st/2nd pair dman that is slated to become a UFA this summer as a rental so as to not take on a future cap hit. This would be for a couple of reasons:

 

1. He needs cap space because he's going to be busy this summer seeing that he needs to resign or replace upcoming UFA's Filppula, Howard, White, Brunner, Miller and Cleary and RFA's Smith, Kindl, Nyquist, Andersson, Lashoff, and Mursak.

 

2. A handful of teams are going to have to move some players around to get complaint for the lowered cap, which could put some interesting players on the market this summer.

 

That's just my opinion though. Who knows what Holland will actually do. I'd really like to see how the D we have performs before making any judgements.


Edited by DSM, 18 January 2013 - 12:22 PM.


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:30 PM

I wouldn't mind getting Franson if the price was right.



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:34 PM

What does Franson add that we don't already have in spades?


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:47 PM

Right handed shot, can play physical, decent on both sides of the ice and a decent contract to take on. I haven't watched him a ton but he's still improving at a good age of 25 is what most people are saying.

 

TBH I don't know why Toronto wants to get rid of him. Like mentioned earlier by someone they should try getting rid of a few other d-men before Franson. All opinion of course :P



One of the better options I've heard for d-men out there and the price could be reasonable without giving up an arm and a leg. Just saying.


Edited by St. Michael (the Red Wing), 18 January 2013 - 12:45 PM.


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:49 PM

I read that we have interest in Bogosian. I wonder what they'd want for him. I wouldn't mind Bouwmeester if the deal was right and I think it could be. He's in the last year of his deal and there's nothing going around that he has a huge interest in staying. Calgary can't exactly be picky, he's more likely to walk in a few months for nothing. We can afford him for now and I don't think he's done enough to warrant a raise, even if Calgary's dead ass defensive system completely neutered his play style. The only negative I see aside from him potentially playing poorly (a risk you take with almost any player) is that he could walk from us in a few months too. But I kinda doubt he would. He's played on dysfunctional horrible teams his whole career. We not only make players feel more at home and more inclined to stay, but we could be his ticket to the postseason for the first time and years to come. If the asking price is right I'd risk it.



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:10 PM

I say YES to Franson!
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:14 PM

Right handed shot, can play physical, decent on both sides of the ice and a decent contract to take on. I haven't watched him a ton but he's still improving at a good age of 25 is what most people are saying.

 

TBH I don't know why Toronto wants to get rid of him. Like mentioned earlier by someone they should try getting rid of a few other d-men before Franson. All opinion of course :P



One of the better options I've heard for d-men out there and the price could be reasonable without giving up an arm and a leg. Just saying.

 

Well I definitely hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Franson plays pretty much the exact same game as Kyle Quincey, except maybe less defensively responsible.  He's a guy with decent size, who CAN play the PP but shouldn't, who COULD be more physical but isn't, who's alright defensively but not shutdown capable, and who's a decent puck mover but not going to give you much more that 25-30 pts. 

 

There's nothing especially bad about Franson, but there's nothing that makes him any better than White, Colaiacovo, or Quincey.  He's considerably worse than Kronwall.  Doesn't play as big as Ericsson.  So you'd essentially be trading for a 5,6,7 defenseman who's an upgrade over Kindl but nothing else. 

 

I'd rather they save the assets and move on a legit top four d-man.  Not take on another middling defenseman to log jam the bottom pair. 

 

Also, as I've already stated.  It would be nice if at least one of our defensemen was actually REALLY good at playing defense rather than just putting up points. 


Edited by kipwinger, 18 January 2013 - 01:16 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:44 PM

Well I definitely hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Franson plays pretty much the exact same game as Kyle Quincey, except maybe less defensively responsible.  He's a guy with decent size, who CAN play the PP but shouldn't, who COULD be more physical but isn't, who's alright defensively but not shutdown capable, and who's a decent puck mover but not going to give you much more that 25-30 pts. 

 

There's nothing especially bad about Franson, but there's nothing that makes him any better than White, Colaiacovo, or Quincey.  He's considerably worse than Kronwall.  Doesn't play as big as Ericsson.  So you'd essentially be trading for a 5,6,7 defenseman who's an upgrade over Kindl but nothing else. 

 

I'd rather they save the assets and move on a legit top four d-man.  Not take on another middling defenseman to log jam the bottom pair. 

 

Also, as I've already stated.  It would be nice if at least one of our defensemen was actually REALLY good at playing defense rather than just putting up points. 

Fair enough and I'm not gonna argue with you. I see you're point about Franson being a 5,6,7 d-man. I think he could become better than that but oh well. Not a # 1 or 2 guy but more 3 or 4 guy. I agree with the Quincey comparison though. However I'm a firm believer in guys that change organzations and systems sometimes it brings out the better in them. Probably a long shot at getting Franson so I'm not holding my breath. But I'm still gonna pass on Bouwmeester and highly doubt Bogosian gets traded. Along with Yandle which I wouldn't mind. The price tags are more than likely going to be steep.

 

Who do you like again as potential top 4-man via trade or signing?



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:47 PM

Fair enough and I'm not gonna argue with you. I see you're point about Franson being a 5,6,7 d-man. I think he could become better than that but oh well. Not a # 1 or 2 guy but more 3 or 4 guy. I agree with the Quincey comparison though. However I'm a firm believer in guys that change organzations and systems sometimes it brings out the better in them. Probably a long shot at getting Franson so I'm not holding my breath. But I'm still gonna pass on Bouwmeester and highly doubt Bogosian gets traded. Along with Yandle which I wouldn't mind. The price tags are more than likely going to be steep.

 

Who do you like again as potential top 4-man via trade or signing?

 

Bogosian and Anton Volchenkov.  I think either of them could be had if you were willing to part with Nyquist (or maybe Tatar) as their respective teams need a lot of offensive help.  Bogosian has been actively being shopping since last year's trade deadline.


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:56 PM

Bogosian and Anton Volchenkov.  I think either of them could be had if you were willing to part with Nyquist (or maybe Tatar) as their respective teams need a lot of offensive help.  Bogosian has been actively being shopping since last year's trade deadline.

I mean yeah I would trade Nyquist or Tatar for Bogosian in a heartbeat too. But I doubt Cheveldayoff goes for that but who knows. The good news is Kenny is looking around...


Edited by St. Michael (the Red Wing), 18 January 2013 - 01:57 PM.


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:02 PM

I doubt there's anyway we get Bogosian without having to cough up Smith and one or both of Tatar and Nyquist, unfortunately.

Edited by DSM, 18 January 2013 - 02:02 PM.






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