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#1 DaWingsin071

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 02:49 AM

I was playing ESPN fantasy hockey and read this under Bouweester's tag line. "The Wings are in discussion with the Flames about a potenital deal for Bouwmeester reports TSN.ca". Any truth to this? didn't notice anything on TSN.ca 

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#2 MabusIncarnate

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:06 AM

I play ESPN fantasy hockey, I just looked and all it says on Bouwmeester is the following.

 

Supplanted by Dennis Wideman on Calgary's fantasy depth chart, Jay Bouwmeester remains the subject of trade rumors. The minute-munching D-man could have greater value as a member of another NHL squad. As it stands, the sturdy (0 missed games since 2003-04) 29-year-old could see very little time with the Flames' power play this season.

 

No recent news available. 

 

I see nothing about what you posted on the ESPN fantasy page, please specify exactly where you are reading this because I can't seem to find it. 


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 05:03 AM

I play ESPN fantasy hockey, I just looked and all it says on Bouwmeester is the following.

 

Supplanted by Dennis Wideman on Calgary's fantasy depth chart, Jay Bouwmeester remains the subject of trade rumors. The minute-munching D-man could have greater value as a member of another NHL squad. As it stands, the sturdy (0 missed games since 2003-04) 29-year-old could see very little time with the Flames' power play this season.

 

No recent news available. 

 

I see nothing about what you posted on the ESPN fantasy page, please specify exactly where you are reading this because I can't seem to find it. 

 

I really think Bouwmeester has to be one of the most underrated if not the most underrated defenseman since a longtime. The guy can eat big minutes and perform, he may not be in the elite class but he still is a damn good defender. Maybe a culture change is exactly, what he needs.

 

Rather take a gamble on him than the overrated Yandle.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:03 PM

Yeah, I like Jay. He's tough, big, fast.. exactly what we need.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:30 PM

Bouwmeester is not exactly what the team needs. He's a puck-mover who is average in the defensive end and does not put up nearly enough points to justify his price tag. More, Calgary has no reason to part with him if they don't receive some significant forward assets in return. We'd be kissing goodbye to Filppula plus change, and that's not worth it.



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Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:22 PM

I wouldn't pay too much for him. His name has been tossed around as a possible amnesty buyout candidate for the Flames. If his play doesn't get better this season for Calgary, Holland might be able to just sign him this summer.

 

It's also risky considering he would add a $6.7mil cap hit to a team that is going to need cap space to re-sign or replace potential UFA's Filppula, Howard, White, Brunner, Miller and Cleary and potential RFA's Nyquist, Smith, Kindl and Andersson (who can't go back to GR next year without being waived).


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:55 PM

I'd be ok with it ONLY if Calgary took back a good bit of the salary. I'd like to pass though


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:20 AM

I'd be ok with it ONLY if Calgary took back a good bit of the salary. I'd like to pass though

 

The league does not allow teams to split the salary or the cap hit of a player. This has been the case since the 2005 CBA was signed.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:51 AM

I really think Bouwmeester has to be one of the most underrated if not the most underrated defenseman since a longtime. The guy can eat big minutes and perform, he may not be in the elite class but he still is a damn good defender. Maybe a culture change is exactly, what he needs.

 

Rather take a gamble on him than the overrated Yandle.

I'll start by saying that the only time I've seen JBo play is whenever the Flames face the Red Wings, or if the Flames are facing their Alberta rivals the Oilers.

 

From what I've seen - he's no "elite" Dman, but like you said he's "underrated" when ya consider the calibre of his teammates in Calagary these past few years...He does eat up alot of time, and appears to have the skill set that the Wings would covet...IMHO he would be a much better/useful player with the Winged Wheel on his chest than the Flaming C...Our puck possession is the style that would suit him best.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 01:43 PM

The league does not allow teams to split the salary or the cap hit of a player. This has been the case since the 2005 CBA was signed.

 

They changed it back for the new CBA. Burke bitched about it at every trade deadline.



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:42 PM

They changed it back for the new CBA. Burke bitched about it at every trade deadline.

 

Leafs just agreed to eat 500.000 signing bonus and 500.000 of Lombardis salary so looks like it is allowed now.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:44 PM

They changed it back for the new CBA. Burke bitched about it at every trade deadline.

 

Cap hit can't be split.



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 05:51 PM

Cap hit can't be split.

 

 

Yes... it can.

 

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:16 PM

Bouwmeester is not exactly what the team needs. He's a puck-mover who is average in the defensive end and does not put up nearly enough points to justify his price tag.

 

 

 

Dman points come from getting the puck to forwards and watching them finish, and that finish part doesn't seem to happen all that much in Calgary.  I'm just saying...

 

 

No way I'd send Fil for him, but I could include Quince and Nyquist, plus picks and prospects that would equal a 5 for 2 trade that brought Bouwmeester and Iginla...somehow, someway.  We'd be a serious contender for a few more years.



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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:18 AM

Dman points come from getting the puck to forwards and watching them finish, and that finish part doesn't seem to happen all that much in Calgary.  I'm just saying...

 

 

No way I'd send Fil for him, but I could include Quince and Nyquist, plus picks and prospects that would equal a 5 for 2 trade that brought Bouwmeester and Iginla...somehow, someway.  We'd be a serious contender for a few more years.

 

no way would they send us jbo AND igiinla for that...



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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:13 PM

no way would they send us jbo AND igiinla for that...

 

 

Too true.  Ya gotta believe that if it were possible, it would have been done by now.  Calgary has been in purgatory for a long time, neither rebuilding or improving, staying just good enough to watch Edmonton get all the top picks. 

 

If they decide to rebuild and dump salary...it would be awesome to somehow pick up both Iginla and Bouwmeester...but I can't pretend to know how to get it done.  We need youth, too.



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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:27 PM

Iginla would be an excellent pickup, and there are talks that he may be traded at the deadline if Calgary blows it this year since he is a UFA.

Bouwmeester is a different story. Like I said before, his cap hit is massive. If he came to the RedWings, he would be the second highest paid player on the team. It would be a risk for Holland seeing that he needs space to replace or resign so many players this summer.

If Holland makes any moves this season, it'll probably be for rental gap fillers. That way he can potentially make a splash in the offseason.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:28 PM

Bouwmeester is Calgary's best defenseman in both ends, and has been playing his best hockey as a Flame this season now that he has a coach (Hartley) who would prefer a skilled, smart, defenseman who can play well positionally and is a skilled skater (Bouwmeester, Niedermayer, Lidstrom, Howe, Keith) rather than a poor skating, stupid, unskilled defenseman whose only form of defense is getting next to a guy who has stopped moving and clobbering him (Gill, Hannan, Chara in NYI).

 

I've been saying about Bouwmeester for a while now a couple things that 1) He'll excel under Hartley (for the reasons I outlined above), and 2) if Detroit gets him, he's the perfect kind of defenseman to pick up because he has speed, he's good in both zones, and he has a ton of skill that Sutter simply didn't feel like using. Sutter had more top-six forwards than most teams but was playing most of them as bottom-sixers. He was using a defense full of skill guys (JBo, Gio, Brodie, Butler) and trying to make them into a bunch of Scott Hannans. Calgary should have a very good season this year, and most people will be like "ERMAGHERD!" But it's simply a matter of getting the right coach together with the right pieces; Calgary has a ton of skilled offensive forwards and some skilled offensive defensemen. If you were to take away Dats or Z, Calgary maybe has a better roster than Detroit (if Kiprusoff doesn't continue being terribad).


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