Guest The Axe Report post Posted January 19, 2013 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Carman" data-cid="2341420" data-time="1358560261"><p> Franzen and Bertuzzi led the Red Wings in +/-, and they are definitely not two of the best forwards on the Red Wings.</p></blockquote> They were #1 and #2 LW last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted January 19, 2013 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Carman" data-cid="2341420" data-time="1358560261"><p>Franzen and Bertuzzi led the Red Wings in +/-, and they are definitely not two of the best forwards on the Red Wings.</p></blockquote> They were #1 and #2 LW last year. So Bertuzzi is one of (two of) the very best forwards on the Red Wings? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted January 19, 2013 Back OT, this is a HUGE year for Kronwall. AFAIK he's never spent any meaningful time on the top pairing, and its a big step up from the 2nd pairing. He's gone from facing good players every other night, to facing star players every single night. Just to add to the pressure, he is now by far our best D-man now on a D-corps full of 3rd pairing guys, and hes stepping into the skates of the 2nd best defenceman of all time. No pressure then. It'll be interesting to see how he does on the 1st PP unit, when he's feeling confident, and he chooses to use it, he's got a terrific shot from the point, but in the past he's gone through long stretches where you just don't see it. So genuine #1 defenceman who's simply been denied the opportunity because of the quality of players in front of him, or good 2nd pairing guy who's been over-promoted? Only time will tell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
derblaueClaus 1,668 Report post Posted January 19, 2013 We will see if Kronwall is a #1 D-Man. We still have to see him against the Top Lines but I think he is absolutely capable of handling them. Not as good as Lidstrom for sure and maybe not as good as Suter. As stated above : Only time will tell. Besides, do we a second Suter ? No, what we need is a solid defense and that is something that Kronwall has delivered the past years. So I'm quite confident about him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted January 19, 2013 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Dabura" data-cid="2341473" data-time="1358585642"><p> <br /> So Bertuzzi is one of (two of) the very best forwards on the Red Wings?</p></blockquote> He was in the top 6 last year. You cant deny that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted January 19, 2013 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Dabura" data-cid="2341473" data-time="1358585642"><p> <br /> So Bertuzzi is one of (two of) the very best forwards on the Red Wings?</p></blockquote> He was in the top 6 last year. You cant deny that. No, I can't. But being in the top-6 doesn't necessarily make you one of the two best forwards. Anyway, that was last season. Is he considered one of (two of) the very best forwards on this Wings team? (Not to put too fine a point on it, but - Datsyuk and Zetterberg are our two best forwards, and Kronwall is our best defenseman.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted January 19, 2013 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Dabura" data-cid="2341568" data-time="1358621419"><p> <br /> No, I can't. But being in the top-6 doesn't necessarily make you one of the two best forwards.<br /> <br /> Anyway, that was last season. Is he considered one of (two of) the very best forwards on this Wings team?<br /> <br /> <br /> (Not to put too fine a point on it, but - Datsyuk and Zetterberg are our two best forwards, and Kronwall is our best defenseman.)</p></blockquote> Not to burst your bubble, but any wingers playing with Datsyuk will have good +/- numbers more than likely comparable to Datsyuks. The guy is a Selke winner, ya know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
