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#21 wings_fanatic

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:16 PM

I don't understand why Babcock is only choosing to play Smith for 15 minutes... he is clearly better than anyone not named Kronwall. Kronnrs should be at 26-27 minutes a game and Smith and White should be able to handle around at least 20-24 minutes. Then Quincy, Ericsson and Carlo can play whatever is left.



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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:23 PM

"Steve, can we have that first round pick back?"   (Holland calling Yzerman last night)

 

"No, because we already used it." (Yzerman's response) 


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:25 PM

You're overcomplicating things with alternate universe mumbo-jumbo.

 

Holland traded a 1st round pick for Quincey. For this, he ought to go to jail, or be punched really hard in the arm. SACK.

 

"Yeah, but if he hadn't--" but he did. Which is why this thread exists.

 

"Yeah, but if this thread hadn't been made..."

 

Fixed...



If Holland hadn't acquired Quincey, he probably would have been on Justin Schultz's short list considering that there would have been a spot for him to step into and play.



"No, because we already used it."  "Hey f*** Your Mama!" (Yzerman's response) 

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:54 PM

You're overcomplicating things with alternate universe mumbo-jumbo.

 

Holland traded a 1st round pick for Quincey. For this, he ought to go to jail, or be punched really hard in the arm.

 

"Yeah, but if he hadn't--" but he did. Which is why this thread exists.

 

"Yeah, but if this thread hadn't been made..."

 

Pretty much.  He overpaid for a player that isn't worth it, and then overpaid for Carlo what's his face in the offseason.  

 

That's Holland's plan for fixing the defense?  


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:58 PM

My contempt for Quincey isnt founded on last night, but wow did he get exposed. I didn't like us trading for him then signing him to a multi year deal.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:07 PM

Quincey played decent other than some huge mistakes that led to goals. If he can limit to one of those mistakes a night then he's an upgrade to Stuart. Ericsson was solid even though he was paired with Kronwall who was terrible.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 07:25 PM

Quincey played decent other than some huge mistakes that led to goals. If he can limit to one of those mistakes a night then he's an upgrade to Stuart. Ericsson was solid even though he was paired with Kronwall who was terrible.

Ya I'm not sure what Kronner's deal was last night, but i've never seen him play that bad.  I guess the momentum of the team playing like a bunch of derps rubbed off on even him.  At the end of the 2nd Dats was super pissed about something too.  The entire team played like a bunch of sack munchers.


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 09:03 PM

 
Pretty much.  He overpaid for a player that isn't worth it, and then overpaid for Carlo what's his face in the offseason.  
 
That's Holland's plan for fixing the defense?  
I actually thought Colo looked pretty good last night, everything considered. He had about...6 minutes to try and learn the system in Detroit, meet the team, gel with line mates and play. Signing him are the LEAST of Detroits worries .
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:25 PM

If Holland hadn't acquired Quincey, he probably would have been on Justin Schultz's short list considering that there would have been a spot for him to step into and play.

 

First you accused Holland of lowballing Schultz, and now you say that it's because there was insufficient space. Neither of your attestations have any truth. Schultz wanted to play for a young, Canadian team. 

 

Your desire to place blame is very evident. It's not going to get you anywhere.



Pretty much.  He overpaid for a player that isn't worth it, and then overpaid for Carlo what's his face in the offseason.  

 

That's Holland's plan for fixing the defense?  

 

He gave up a first-rounder in a weak draft. Perhaps you have a better idea? Would you have preferred that he had not made that trade, in which event we'd have needed to sign the likes of Roszival or Redden to fill the 6th spot?



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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:40 PM

What might be scarier:  Quincey on the top pairing vs. C'Bus?  From a few minutes ago:

 

 

#RedWings D Jonathan Ericsson leaving practice early, limping slightly after fall.

 

Definitely not good... If it was Quincey, or Kindl it wouldn't be so bad, but it is one of our top D-men... not good...


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:17 AM

He gave up a first-rounder in a weak draft. Perhaps you have a better idea?

 

He could start by not trading a 1st round pick for Kyle Quincey. I mean, if we're time-traveling and all.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:27 AM

To put too fine a point on it... The idea is Holland traded a 1st round pick for a guy who seems hell-bent on getting bounced off the roster by Jakub Kindl. Bottom line: Quincey has done nothing good for us since coming back aboard. And that hurts. Now, could Kenny have known Quincey would (under)perform this way? No, I don't think anyone could've seen this coming. So it's not like ZOMG HOLLAND IZ TEH STOOPID (even though he really kinda is, at times, in certain respects). But, I think what really gets a lot of people re: Quincey is the fact that this is his second stint with the Wings. We had him, we got him gone, then we traded a 1st round pick to get him back, and, thus far, that buy-back has looked very facepalm indeed.


Edited by Dabura, 21 January 2013 - 06:24 AM.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:12 AM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Dabura" data-cid="2342895" data-time="1358760440"><p>
To put too fine a point on it.... The idea is Holland traded a <span class='bbc_underline'>1st round pick</span> for a guy who seems hell-bent on getting bounced off the roster by Jakub Kindl. Bottom line: Quincey has done nothing good for us since coming back aboard. And that hurts. Now, could Kenny have known Quincey would (under)perform this way? No, I don't think anyone could've seen this coming. So it's not like ZOMG HOLLAND IZ TEH STOOPID (even though he really kinda is, at times, in certain respects). But, I think what really gets a lot of people re: Quincey is the fact that this is his <em class='bbc'>second stint</em> with the Wings. We had him, we got him gone, then we traded a 1st round pick to get him back, and, thus far, that buy-back has looked very facepalm indeed.</p></blockquote>


Yup. The Red Wings are a bunch of Has Beens.

Step One is to fire Holland.

Step Two is to buy out the old crap (Bert, Sammy, etc.).

Step Three is to move the good old guys (Z, D, F, F) down in the lineup and replace them with good new guys (we need a few of these).

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:31 AM

Holland loves safe, familiar, comfortable, been-there-done-that. This, in turn, filters through, informs and - ultimately - floods the big unsinkable boat.

 

This is a GM issue more than anything else. Ken Holland has to change his ways.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:10 PM

I think Quincey will turn it around, given some more time. I think he will overcome his annoying face and be a solid 2nd paring guy.

 

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:58 PM

The knock on Quincey has always been a lack of consistency.  Playing like a top pairing guy for a stretch, then suddenly looking like a #7 guy . 


Hopefully he got a lot of that out of his system against the Blues. 



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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:01 PM

I remember him being much more serviceable his first time around with the Wings....


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:05 PM

Here's to hoping that Lashoff plays tonight and wins Quincey's job when E comes back.



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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:10 PM

I remember him being much more serviceable his first time around with the Wings....

 

Some people have the strangest memories where Quincey is concerned. He played 6-8 minutes a night against the fourth lines of the Flames, Ducks, and Sharks in 2007, and then was utterly overshadowed by Meech and Ericsson when they were all up during the injury spell of early 2008.



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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:31 PM

Never been a fan of Quincey but it's still too soon to judge.  Need a sample size of at least 5 games, though I'd rather prefer 7 to 10. 







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