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#21 Euro_Twins

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:41 AM

By the way, if no one recalls last year when we lost 7-1 to the caps, after starting the season strong. I'm sure a few people freaked out then too



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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:43 AM

I am not panicking yet, but I can share some of my concerns about last night's game.

 

1. It looked like an AHL team vs. an NHL team last night - it was that bad.  I don't think I've seen the Wings play a worse 60 minutes of hockey in recent memory.  It wasn't like we got unlucky or couldn't cash in on chances - the Wings had no legitimate scoring chances. 

 

2. I didn't see a single useful pass from our D to the forwards.  Quincey in particular looked bad. 

 

3. Franzen - who I am usually a big fan of - was non-existent.  He looked like he was skating through mud.  Same goes for Sammy.

 

4. Special teams = scary bad.  Is Tom Renney running them? I've lost all faith in Renney's abilities after watching the debacle in Edmonton over the last few years. They've got to fix that. 

 

BUT, that was only game 1, and it was against a clearly amped-up St. Louis team.  I have no doubt it will get better, I just hope it happens quickly. Also, I liked the way Brunner looked, and I liked Tootoo's speed and energy (I wish he made contact with Tarasenko on that hit attempt).  Tootoo, Helm, and Miller would be a fast line.

 

BTW, thoughts on Howard?  I actually didn't think he deserved to get pulled - I assume it was more of a mercy move by Babcock. 


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:44 AM

I think Babcock was reaching for Holland's neck in his dreams last night.

 

Holland doesn't determine how the players perform. There isn't the faintest chance that Lidstrom's presence could have salvaged that game.



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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:50 AM

I am not panicking yet, but I can share some of my concerns about last night's game.

 

1. It looked like an AHL team vs. an NHL team last night - it was that bad.  I don't think I've seen the Wings play a worse 60 minutes of hockey in recent memory.  It wasn't like we got unlucky or couldn't cash in on chances - the Wings had no legitimate scoring chances. 

 

2. I didn't see a single useful pass from our D to the forwards.  Quincey in particular looked bad. 

 

3. Franzen - who I am usually a big fan of - was non-existent.  He looked like he was skating through mud.  Same goes for Sammy.

 

4. Special teams = scary bad.  Is Tom Renney running them? I've lost all faith in Renney's abilities after watching the debacle in Edmonton over the last few years. They've got to fix that. 

 

BUT, that was only game 1, and it was against a clearly amped-up St. Louis team.  I have no doubt it will get better, I just hope it happens quickly. Also, I liked the way Brunner looked, and I liked Tootoo's speed and energy (I wish he made contact with Tarasenko on that hit attempt).  Tootoo, Helm, and Miller would be a fast line.

 

BTW, thoughts on Howard?  I actually didn't think he deserved to get pulled - I assume it was more of a mercy move by Babcock. 

 

I think it was in the first, Colaiacovo had all the time in the world behind the net with the puck and a wide open winger on the left and he makes a breakout pass that was nowhere close to the winger. I didn't know what to say. It was as sloppy of a play as I'd seen. Literally, no pressure, no mad rush, no one forechecking, no one on the winger, and a terrible-awful-no-good-very-bad pass. Mind-numbing.

 

 

Holland doesn't determine how the players perform. There isn't the faintest chance that Lidstrom's presence could have salvaged that game.

 

 

 

They're professionals. If they don't show 100%, why are they still here? I don't care if the coach is a joke (I'm not saying I think Babcock is at all), if you don't go out and give 100%, you should get your ass shipped out. There's no excuse in the NHL when these guys are making as much money as they are. The effort many of these players have been putting forth for years now is inexcusable, and the fact that they are still on the Wings roster is very much determined by Ken Holland.


Edited by gcom007, 20 January 2013 - 11:50 AM.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:54 AM

I said it during last season and I believe it even more so now. Every person on this teams should be on the trading block except for Datsyuk, Helm, and I guess Z and Howard.



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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:57 AM

Holland doesn't determine how the players perform. There isn't the faintest chance that Lidstrom's presence could have salvaged that game.

 

Yeah, not so sure about that.  Lids would've at least chewed up a lot of the minutes that Quincey got (good thing), provided better first passes out of the defensive zone, better QB for the PP, better defensive positional posture (aka less or no breakaways), etc.  But forget all that, it's more fun when you think you know everything.

 

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:12 PM

Lots of rust, lots of uninspired play. Perhaps Z is not fully in his Captaincy role yet. I know that both Yzerman and Lidstrom spoke of having to rally the team from a leadership standpoint....it might take a bit for the new C to settle into that. 

 

As for the rust....well, Howard looked worse than Monster. I'm glad for a big upgrade over last season in the backup role. 

 

Franzen....this guy is going to get bought out if he repeats this performance all season. 



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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:13 PM

I am not panicking yet, but I can share some of my concerns about last night's game.

 

1. It looked like an AHL team vs. an NHL team last night - it was that bad.  I don't think I've seen the Wings play a worse 60 minutes of hockey in recent memory.  It wasn't like we got unlucky or couldn't cash in on chances - the Wings had no legitimate scoring chances. 

 

2. I didn't see a single useful pass from our D to the forwards.  Quincey in particular looked bad. 

 

3. Franzen - who I am usually a big fan of - was non-existent.  He looked like he was skating through mud.  Same goes for Sammy.

 

4. Special teams = scary bad.  Is Tom Renney running them? I've lost all faith in Renney's abilities after watching the debacle in Edmonton over the last few years. They've got to fix that. 

 

BUT, that was only game 1, and it was against a clearly amped-up St. Louis team.  I have no doubt it will get better, I just hope it happens quickly. Also, I liked the way Brunner looked, and I liked Tootoo's speed and energy (I wish he made contact with Tarasenko on that hit attempt).  Tootoo, Helm, and Miller would be a fast line.

 

BTW, thoughts on Howard?  I actually didn't think he deserved to get pulled - I assume it was more of a mercy move by Babcock. 

I think it was definitely a mercy move by Babs and in no way a reflection of Jimmy's play.  He was getting shelled out there. 

 

It would've been nice if he had stopped one of the breakaways but I don't really fault him.  All in all he played well considering he got no help.

 

Z and Dats were held without a shot.  Datsyuk was uncharacteristically lazy around his own net a couple times.  And Mule had one shot but was mostly invisible except for his fake tough guy act. 

 

It is only one game, but when fans are wondering how this team will look in the post-Lidstrom era, this is a nightmare first glimpse. 



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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

Z and Dats were held without a shot.  Datsyuk was uncharacteristically lazy around his own net a couple times. 

 

I'm not sure how to reconcile this, and how both of these guys were playing in Europe earlier this month (and for months prior). Both of the Euro Twins should have been more than ready to go. Whats the deal? Negative locker room vibes? Contagious lazy attitudes from other teammates? 



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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:19 PM

Blues are one of the better teams this year and I could easily see them in the finals. They physically dominated us which I think validates the Tootoo signing. At this point though I wish Holland had chased Prust instead of Sammy.

Still just one game though, not losing my head just yet



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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:21 PM

Lots of rust, lots of uninspired play. Perhaps Z is not fully in his Captaincy role yet. I know that both Yzerman and Lidstrom spoke of having to rally the team from a leadership standpoint....it might take a bit for the new C to settle into that. 

 

As for the rust....well, Howard looked worse than Monster. I'm glad for a big upgrade over last season in the backup role. 

 

Franzen....this guy is going to get bought out if he repeats this performance all season. 

 

Not to take anything away from Monster, but by the time he was in, I don't think the Blues were really trying too hard either. They were still skating circles around us, but half as fast as they were earlier in the game.


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:27 PM

Blues are one of the better teams this year and I could easily see them in the finals. They physically dominated us which I think validates the Tootoo signing. At this point though I wish Holland had chased Prust instead of Sammy.

Still just one game though, not losing my head just yet

 

Because Tootoo made things any better last night. They didn't lose because they were out hit, they lost because they got out played in every way conceivable.


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:31 PM

I said it during last season and I believe it even more so now. Every person on this teams should be on the trading block except for Datsyuk, Helm, and I guess Z and Howard.

 

So if they all suck, then who is going to want them and what are we going to get for them and how will they do it within the confines of the salary cap?



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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:40 PM

I don't understand the point of why people need to police how others react to games. Not calling out the OP here -- just a general statement.

A team full of major question marks just got dismantled 6-0. Frustration and concern is warranted considering what I believe are issues that aren't going away even if the opponent isn't the Blues. I'm not jumping ship or going to panic the season is over from last night. I do believe this is a bigger problem than just "one game" though.
 
 
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:41 PM

Finesse hockey isn't really what's winning today.  But I'm going to try and reserve judgement until after a few more games.



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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:46 PM

I have this pet theory that - to greatly oversimplify things - the hemlock maybe possibly kinda sorta didn't kill Socrates. It's convoluted, but, I think, right there in Plato's Phaedo.

 

Point being? I dunno. I'm just blabbering.

 

0-6. Ugh.



By the way, if no one recalls last year when we lost 7-1 to the caps, after starting the season strong. I'm sure a few people freaked out then too

 

Well, to be fair, we did kinda lose in the first round. To the Predators. In five games. Even with Lidstrom. And Stuart.


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:48 PM

It is time for an overhaul... This small skilled team doesn't equate to NHL hockey anymore.  Sure, there is a place on the team for a couple of smaller skilled forwards, but if St. Louis didn't prove anything to anyone else last night, they proved it to me, todays NHL needs BIG skilled forwards... I almost blew my beer through my nose when Mickey Redmond said about Franzen that "There is a guy who can match up physically with Backes..." I laugh hysterically today about it.  The Wings are full of small skilled and big average players. The extent of our small skilled forwards should start and end with Zetterberg and Datsyuk.  I reserve judgement on Brunner because he is a rookie and well had 1/5 of our shots last night and at one point had half of them. But the rest of this team can and will be judged, especially after 10 games if they aren't at least 6-4.

 

The makeup of this team needs to be changed drastically.  I know Holland tried for the Olsen twins and I give him credit for everything he did over the summer, including the draft where he went with some larger and tougher players along with his couple of smaller skilled players.  I know nobody agrees with me, but Franzen needs to be traded and I would say the same about Filppula. Why? Because Filppula can bring us a nice piece in return.  I still maintain that Filppula should be traded to Anaheim for Bobby Ryan (if Anaheim would do so.)  I know Selanne holds alot of water in Anaheim and the fact that he said he wants to play with Filppula should not go unoticed by Holland and the Anaheim GM.  I do not even know what Franzen would get us in return after his epic fall at the end of last season and which contiues today.  If traded anywhere, I am sure it would be somewhere where he would have countrymen who have chemistry with him, Vancouver or Dallas come to mind.  I have said before about getting Burrows or Morrow for him, but I am not sure now that those teams would want him.... I could see Franzen doing well with the Sedins or Eriksson, which is why I mention those two teams.

 

Quincey wasn't anywhere worth the 1st round pick, I don't care who would have been selected at #19.  Heck, Stuart only cost us a 2nd and a 4th.  I maintain that Quincey should not have been re-signed and we should have collected whatever picks we could have gotten as compensation.  But no, Holland wasted $3.75M of cap space on this useless garbage.

 

In my opinion tradeable assets today are:

 

Filppula, Franzen, Cleary, Emmerton, Quincey, Ericsson, Kindl...(of course along with picks or prospects to get us what we need...)

 

Waive Mursak, his NHL career is over, WAY over...

 

Buyout Samuelsson and Bertuzzi....


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:49 PM

I said it during last season and I believe it even more so now. Every person on this teams should be on the trading block except for Datsyuk, Helm, and I guess Z and Howard.

 

Add Kronwall to that list.

 

A trade (or two, or three, or several thousand) is/are definitely in order, though.


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:54 PM

We can't rush to judgement.  It's been one game  One.  That's not a trend.  It might have just been a collective bad night.  I"m not saying it for sure was just bad luck and won't happen again.  But we cannot conclude that our team is awful and the worst team in the league yet. 

 

Lets give them 7-10 games before we start talking about fire sales. 



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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:57 PM

When they beat the blue jackets and Stars this will all go away. I will say though Cleary can sit for Sheahan and Quincey has to be better than that. The good news is Smith played a decent game.


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