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#41 The Axe

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:56 PM

Holland is lost. He just blew 750k on freaking Huskins instead of playing with 5 or moving a forward back. Panic moves from a GM 3 games into the season. Gee, I wonder why we cant get Parise for 9 mil a year. Oh yah. Cuz Kenny thinks its better to stockpile a bunch of mediocre guys for 15 mil per year.

#42 MasterPavel

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:04 PM

 
Columbus would have to trade him back to LA first...

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Good point...I think many fans think all Kenny has to do is make a phone call, suggest a deal, and it's done...Its so much more complicated that that...not the least of which is the salary cap...and not just for this season...you have to think several seasons down the road...


I was giving and example to the poster who stated a cup contending team will not trade a top pairing dman for a goal scorer

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:06 PM

Suter has been awful btw -3, no points,and no hits. yikes, imagine if we were in the same position with Suter actually on the team.

 

Then again just 3 games in, it would be unfair to make complete judgements on a player 3 games in would it not?


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:07 PM

Suter has been awful btw -3, no points,and no hits. yikes, imagine if we were in the same position with Suter actually on the team.

 

Then again just 3 games in, it would be unfair to make complete judgements on a player 3 games in would it not?

It's also not really fair to judge off of +/-. It's a decent guide, but not a rule. A guy can suffer in the category while doing nothing wrong thanks to linemates. The only way to tell is to look at how he's been playing.



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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:10 PM

It's also not really fair to judge off of +/-. It's a decent guide, but not a rule. A guy can suffer in the category while doing nothing wrong thanks to linemates. The only way to tell is to look at how he's been playing.

 

Oh yea, +/- is not a good barometer. I'm just reversing the argument on the people that want to complain about the team right now based on 3 games, and wanted Suter at all costs. Although no points in 3 games for a 7.5 million defenseman is worrisome, especially considering he hasn't played well outside of readily available statistics.


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:12 PM

I do think Suter is a guy you toss money at but at the same time I get the point about people losing their s*** over a couple games. I think this season more than ever we need to focus on not losing 2 in a row. Come out absolutely roaring after a loss and we should be OK.



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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:15 PM

I do think Suter is a guy you toss money at but at the same time I get the point about people losing their s*** over a couple games. I think this season more than ever we need to focus on not losing 2 in a row. Come out absolutely roaring after a loss and we should be OK.

 

Suter is a damn good defenseman, but I don't feel comfortable giving him that much money. He's not proven to play well without Weber. In his time in Nashville everytime Weber was out the team got scored on more, didn't score as much, and lost more games. When Suter didn't play they actually scored more, prevented more goals, and won more games. That was over a 7 year span as well...



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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:24 PM

Holland is lost. He just blew 750k on freaking Huskins instead of playing with 5 or moving a forward back. Panic moves from a GM 3 games into the season. Gee, I wonder why we cant get Parise for 9 mil a year. Oh yah. Cuz Kenny thinks its better to stockpile a bunch of mediocre guys for 15 mil per year.

Is this something you are going to bring up in every thread that's posted? It's starting to get old, your point is exhausted.

 

I like BBTBB's trade proposal, i'm an Enstrom fan i'd like him in red and white.


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:24 PM

Holland is lost. He just blew 750k on freaking Huskins instead of playing with 5 or moving a forward back. Panic moves from a GM 3 games into the season. Gee, I wonder why we cant get Parise for 9 mil a year. Oh yah. Cuz Kenny thinks its better to stockpile a bunch of mediocre guys for 15 mil per year.

You're railing against a guy making damn near vet minimum, for one year, who played pretty well.



#50 The Axe

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:43 PM

Is this something you are going to bring up in every thread that's posted? It's starting to get old, your point is exhausted.
 
I like BBTBB's trade proposal, i'm an Enstrom fan i'd like him in red and white.



Topic involves trades. GM makes trades. Use the ignore function if you have a problem with my repetitiveness. But I post ON-Topic 99% of the time. So counter my point or leave it be.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:50 PM

Yeah, I'm sure it's that $750k that cost us Suter and Parise...



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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:56 PM

Suter is a damn good defenseman, but I don't feel comfortable giving him that much money. He's not proven to play well without Weber. In his time in Nashville everytime Weber was out the team got scored on more, didn't score as much, and lost more games. When Suter didn't play they actually scored more, prevented more goals, and won more games. That was over a 7 year span as well...

 

Weber could do the things he did, because of Suter. SW admitted such facts by himself. Suter is not the offensive puckmover he is a defensive minded defender and an elite one at that, points aren't everything. Can you trust him to stabilize your defense? For sure is he worth 7,5 m caphit? I think so. Lets see how Weber will be doing without him.


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#53 The Axe

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:10 PM

You're railing against a guy making damn near vet minimum, for one year, who played pretty well.


We are going to play Huskins a handful of games. I have nothing against Huskins. I just think Hollands move getting him is idiotic and panic driven. We have X amount of dollars to allocate each year. We need to start spending 80/20 and 20/80. 45 mil to top 6 players, 15 mil to bottom 18 players. Hollanf is allocating funds poorly now. Example:

Parise (9 mil), Suter (9 mil), Datsyuk (6.75 mil), Zetterberg (6.25 mil), Kronwall (5 mil), Franzen (4 mil), Filppula (4.5 mil)

Top 7 = 44.5 mil

Ericsson (3 mil), Helm (2.5 mil), Howard (1.5 mil), Brunner (1.5 mil), Smith (1.5 mil), Abdelkader (1.5 mil), Kindl (1 mil),

Middle 7 = 12.5 mil

Tatar (.75 mil), Nyquist (.75 mil), Andersson (.75 mil), Emmerton (.75 mil), Ferraro (.75 mil), Lashoff (.75 mil), Ouelette (.75 mil), Almquist (.75 mil), Mrazek (.75 mil)

Bottom 9 = 6.75 mil


Total = 63.75 mil.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:31 PM

I'd say having 3 regular defensemen out after losing your top two defensemen over the summer is reason to be a bit concerned...The Wings didn't get Suter and Parise...they tried...they made a highly competitive offer...get over it...

 

The problem with your "theory" is that the players you want to play for under a million won't continue to do so if they're worth a s***...So it may work for one year, but if any of them have a decent season and are up for a contract renewal, well there goes the salary cap...



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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:53 PM

I'd say having 3 regular defensemen out after losing your top two defensemen over the summer is reason to be a bit concerned...The Wings didn't get Suter and Parise...they tried...they made a highly competitive offer...get over it...
 
The problem with your "theory" is that the players you want to play for under a million won't continue to do so if they're worth a s***...So it may work for one year, but if any of them have a decent season and are up for a contract renewal, well there goes the salary cap...


If theyre good enough, they move up a tier. If not, sionara.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:26 PM

I get what you are saying axe, but when they do move up a notch you can't afford to pay them due to your top 6 locked into long term, high dollar contracts.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:00 PM


Holland is lost. He just blew 750k on freaking Huskins instead of playing with 5 or moving a forward back. Panic moves from a GM 3 games into the season. Gee, I wonder why we cant get Parise for 9 mil a year. Oh yah. Cuz Kenny thinks its better to stockpile a bunch of mediocre guys for 15 mil per year.


I don't see why it's such a bad move. The Wings were lacking in depth on d and added a NHL defenseman...

I know you want to see Almquist become the next Lidstrom but geez give him time. While you wait play some more seasons on NHL13.

Edited by DSM, 23 January 2013 - 09:03 PM.


#58 The Axe

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:04 PM

sela ward e="MasterPavel" post="2345614" timestamp="1358990817"]
I get what you are saying axe, but when they do move up a notch you can't afford to pay them due to your top 6 locked into long term, high dollar contracts.[/quote]

Thats a good thing. You trade for high picks/prospects and develop more.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:14 PM

Topic involves trades. GM makes trades. Use the ignore function if you have a problem with my repetitiveness. But I post ON-Topic 99% of the time. So counter my point or leave it be.

Yeah topic involves hockey, site involves hockey, so technically going by your logic as long as it's hockey related it can be posted in any thread because it's "on topic". So staying on topic, let's bring up the 1960 stanley cup finals, because it involves hockey just like this thread does. Here's your cue to mention Holland "failing" to get Parise because he wanted to play in his home state instead Wtf is Kenny's problem he should have moved the entire franchise to Minnesota to insure they DECIDED to come play here, or held their families hostage at gunpoint and forced them to come play here. So sorry for questioning you, your credibility is phenomenal. 

 

Coming back to reality, the thread has nothing to do with opinions on Holland, the decisions of Suter and Parise to play for Minnesota, it's a thread about a trade that the OP believes should make with Winnipeg. Your comment was completely off topic, but apparently excuses will be made for you to continue to make stabs at this team and it's management.

 

While we're at it, I think i'll bring up Chewbacca, because he follows around Han Solo in Star Wars, as Luke Skywalker uses a blue lightsaber, and blue is the color of Winnipeg's jerseys, so that's gotta be on topic also. Let's get into a heated wookie discussion people. :)


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:58 PM

Yeah topic involves hockey, site involves hockey, so technically going by your logic as long as it's hockey related it can be posted in any thread because it's "on topic". So staying on topic, let's bring up the 1960 stanley cup finals, because it involves hockey just like this thread does. Here's your cue to mention Holland "failing" to get Parise because he wanted to play in his home state instead Wtf is Kenny's problem he should have moved the entire franchise to Minnesota to insure they DECIDED to come play here, or held their families hostage at gunpoint and forced them to come play here. So sorry for questioning you, your credibility is phenomenal. 
 
Coming back to reality, the thread has nothing to do with opinions on Holland, the decisions of Suter and Parise to play for Minnesota, it's a thread about a trade that the OP believes should make with Winnipeg. Your comment was completely off topic, but apparently excuses will be made for you to continue to make stabs at this team and it's management.
 
While we're at it, I think i'll bring up Chewbacca, because he follows around Han Solo in Star Wars, as Luke Skywalker uses a blue lightsaber, and blue is the color of Winnipeg's jerseys, so that's gotta be on topic also. Let's get into a heated wookie discussion people. :)



The OP thinks WHO should make the trade with Winnepeg? I noticed you forgot a name there and your sentence lacks structure from a missing noun. As stated by HALF the people in here, if Holland cant sing a good UFA, how the hell is he going to rape a team and snag exciting young players from them when we have nothing to offer back. Ken Holland lost his job by losing out on Parise/Suter. Its just a matter of time now. He has been exposed.





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