Guest The Axe Report post Posted January 24, 2013 Bert = 1.75 mil Sammy = 3 mil Colo = 2.15 mil Quincey = 3.55 mil Gustavsson = 1.4 mil Tootoo = 1.9 mil Huskins = .75 mil Thats 15 mil of s***. We need NONE of these players. What we needed was Parise and Suter. But Holland is too stupid to see that we'd be better off going with an 18 man roster of GOOD players than a 23 man roster of crappy washed up has been other teams' rejects. I cant believe people cant see Holland's incompetence yet. Its no wonder star ufa's are avoiding Detroit like the plague. Holland is too concerned about Holmstrom and Bertuzzi's golden parachutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) Bert = 1.75 mil Sammy = 3 mil Colo = 2.15 mil Quincey = 3.55 mil Gustavsson = 1.4 mil Tootoo = 1.9 mil Huskins = .75 mil Thats 15 mil of s***. We need NONE of these players. What we needed was Parise and Suter. But Holland is too stupid to see that we'd be better off going with an 18 man roster of GOOD players than a 23 man roster of crappy washed up has been other teams' rejects. I cant believe people cant see Holland's incompetence yet. Its no wonder star ufa's are avoiding Detroit like the plague. Holland is too concerned about Holmstrom and Bertuzzi's golden parachutes. I happen to agree with you regarding Samuelsson and Bertuzzi's contracts. There was definitely no reason to give Samuelsson a NTC. In my opinion, it was idiotic to give Bertuzzi that second year. Quincey has been a big failure this far. Overpayment.However, PARISE AND SUTER WENT TO MINNESOTA FOR FAMILY. THEY WEREN'T COMING HERE ANYWAY. Neither of them are worth the idiotic contracts that Minnesota gave them. Yikes. Holland has made stupid moves, but overpaying for either of these overrated pansies would've been majorly stupid moves. Also, players like Tootoo are desperately needed here. He's basically our only source of snarl and constant physicality up front. In my opinion, more players that play a similar style to his are needed. I already explained the Huskins situation to you, but you never directly replied. Edited January 24, 2013 by Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,474 Report post Posted January 24, 2013 Bert = 1.75 mil Sammy = 3 mil Colo = 2.15 mil Quincey = 3.55 mil Gustavsson = 1.4 mil Tootoo = 1.9 mil Huskins = .75 mil Thats 15 mil of s***. We need NONE of these players. What we needed was Parise and Suter. But Holland is too stupid to see that we'd be better off going with an 18 man roster of GOOD players than a 23 man roster of crappy washed up has been other teams' rejects. I cant believe people cant see Holland's incompetence yet. Its no wonder star ufa's are avoiding Detroit like the plague. Holland is too concerned about Holmstrom and Bertuzzi's golden parachutes. Gustavsson = needed, we didn't have a legit backup to challenge howie before now. tootoo = needed, he has brought a level of energy and excitement we only got from helm before, but mixed with grit and a good physical presence colo = the only decent dman Holland could land after everything was picked through huskins = a cheap stop gap, considering we didn't have enough dmen, hence why he was signed on game day yesterday. quincey, bert and sammy i totally agree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) Bert = 1.75 mil Sammy = 3 mil Colo = 2.15 mil Quincey = 3.55 mil Gustavsson = 1.4 mil Tootoo = 1.9 mil Huskins = .75 mil Thats 15 mil of s***. We need NONE of these players. What we needed was Parise and Suter. But Holland is too stupid to see that we'd be better off going with an 18 man roster of GOOD players than a 23 man roster of crappy washed up has been other teams' rejects. I cant believe people cant see Holland's incompetence yet. Its no wonder star ufa's are avoiding Detroit like the plague. Holland is too concerned about Holmstrom and Bertuzzi's golden parachutes. The only reason that we had the money to talk to Parise and Suter was because we had players on lower level contracts. If you want elite players, some of your other players will be of the quality of those you listed. In your ideal world (I assume) none of those players would be here and we'd have Parise and Suter. But then who fills those remaining roster spots? Parise and Suter are two players. The people who would fill the other roster spots would be B-level players such as the very players you listed. So what this really is, is that Holland set his roster up with the expectation of landing the two big fish. Your argument about that dead weight is really just re-hashing the same criticism that's seemingly never-ending here: that we couldn't land Parise and Suter. Edited January 24, 2013 by Zetts 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted January 24, 2013 I happen to agree with you regarding Samuelsson and Bertuzzi's contracts. There was definitely no reason to give Samuelsson a NTC. In my opinion, it was idiotic to give Bertuzzi that second year. Quincey has been a big failure this far. Overpayment. However, PARISE AND SUTER WENT TO MINNESOTA FOR FAMILY. THEY WEREN'T COMING HERE ANYWAY. Neither of them are worth the idiotic contracts that Minnesota gave them. Yikes. Holland has made stupid moves, but overpaying for either of these overrated pansies would've been majorly stupid moves. Also, players like Tootoo are desperately needed here. He's basically our only source of snarl and constant physicality up front. In my opinion, more players that play a similar style to his are needed. I already explained the Huskins situation to you, but you never directly replied. Apologies. Youre right. Huskins is the small potatoes in that laundry list of crap. But my point is you cant say "We dont need to pay an extra 2 mil to get a great player and then go pay 15 mil to get a bunch of bad players." There's no logic to that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,474 Report post Posted January 24, 2013 Apologies. Youre right. Huskins is the small potatoes in that laundry list of crap. But my point is you cant say "We dont need to pay an extra 2 mil to get a great player and then go pay 15 mil to get a bunch of bad players." There's no logic to that. Ok, we should get a defenseman and say forget about getting a backup goalie because we have a defenseman? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted January 24, 2013 Ok, we should get a defenseman and say forget about getting a backup goalie because we have a defenseman? I would rather see: Parise-Datsyuk-Brunner Franzen-Zetterberg-Filppula Abdelkader-Helm-Cleary Miller-Emmerton-Eaves Kronwall-Suter Ericcson-Smith White-Kindl Howard McCollum Than the load of crap we have now. Do you honestly think our current team is better than that one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,474 Report post Posted January 24, 2013 I would rather see: Parise-Datsyuk-Brunner Franzen-Zetterberg-Filppula Abdelkader-Helm-Cleary Miller-Emmerton-Eaves Kronwall-Suter Ericcson-Smith White-Kindl Howard McCollum Than the load of crap we have now. Do you honestly think our current team is better than that one? yes I do, first off McCollum is garbage. Secondly, Abby plays center, Emmerton is useless, and Tootoo provides grit that we've failed to have in years, and he works hard every shift he is out there and plays with a lot of energy and heart. Once again though Suter wanted to play with his butt buddy in Minny, can't fix that, can't change that. Not to mention he was vastly overpaid, and isn't doing all that much to help his team now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted January 24, 2013 yes I do, first off McCollum is garbage. Secondly, Abby plays center, Emmerton is useless, and Tootoo provides grit that we've failed to have in years, and he works hard every shift he is out there and plays with a lot of energy and heart. Once again though Suter wanted to play with his butt buddy in Minny, can't fix that, can't change that. Not to mention he was vastly overpaid, and isn't doing all that much to help his team now McCollum is a backup. Who cares. Abby and Emmerton play where they are told to play. Tootoo sucks, bro. Hate to break it to you. He's not gonna score more than 10 pts this year. You are in dreamland with your analysis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,205 Report post Posted January 24, 2013 DID SOMEONE SAY DAN GIRARDI 2 Hockeymom1960 and Detroit \# 1 Fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted January 24, 2013 Bert = 1.75 mil Sammy = 3 mil Colo = 2.15 mil Quincey = 3.55 mil Gustavsson = 1.4 mil Tootoo = 1.9 mil Huskins = .75 mil Thats 15 mil of s***. We need NONE of these players. What we needed was Parise and Suter. But Holland is too stupid to see that we'd be better off going with an 18 man roster of GOOD players than a 23 man roster of crappy washed up has been other teams' rejects. I cant believe people cant see Holland's incompetence yet. Its no wonder star ufa's are avoiding Detroit like the plague. Holland is too concerned about Holmstrom and Bertuzzi's golden parachutes. I'm good with Monster, Tootoo and Bert. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted January 24, 2013 Samuelsson is really the only signing I cannot stand. The others is understandable given the circumstances and the Tootoo signing was actually a good one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted January 24, 2013 Samuelsson is really the only signing I cannot stand. The others is understandable given the circumstances and the Tootoo signing was actually a good one. Samuelsson is a versatile forward, that is physical(not overly, but he's pretty good in the corners), he can play anywhere on the roster. And he puts up more points per game than Hornqvist, Derek Roy, and Okposo... Not too mention he and Babcock have some familiarity which is important during a shortened season. I feel it was a good signing, gives us depth which is needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted January 24, 2013 Samuelsson is a versatile forward, that is physical(not overly, but he's pretty good in the corners), he can play anywhere on the roster. And he puts up more points per game than Hornqvist, Derek Roy, and Okposo... Not too mention he and Babcock have some familiarity which is important during a shortened season. I feel it was a good signing, gives us depth which is needed. Yes, I can see why Holland opted to sign Samuelsson -it is safe, but that's exactly why I dont like it. I think this team needs fresh blood and I would have preferred someone younger to get that opportunity. Bertuzzi is a better choice in my opinion for what Samuelsson adds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salviaman 104 Report post Posted January 24, 2013 Let's pick up Brian Leetch and Scott Stevens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted January 24, 2013 To be honest, I'd rather Huskins round out the 6th defense position than Kindl. We really need another defensive defenseman. Breakways and turnovers are killing us. Kronwall-Quincey White-Ericsson Smith-Lashoff-Huskins (rotate Lashoff and Huskins if Lashoff ever becomes less effective.) Balances out offense and defense, even though It puts two rookies on the same pairing. Until we replace Kindl, Quincey or maybe Ericsson, there just aren't any ideal pairings. Jeez, I forgot about Colaiocovo. So many defensemen! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbowhistle86 155 Report post Posted January 24, 2013 An 18 man competitive roster instead of the 23 man roster we have now leaves us with our pants down when the injury bug bites this team again ( which it will). If it were that big of a payoff, don't you think some teams would have made it work by now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted January 28, 2013 first off calm down... original quote was for the team not white, Detroit has a knack for injuries, remember last year? or the year before? or this year? secondly, I said SOFT Euros, Chara is by no means soft, I never mentioned big tuff americans like chara, I just said big savages like chara, I don't care where they come from, the red wings are packed with small guys. If we drafted big bodied skilled Euros than that would be different. Detroit being injury prone means the team members are prone to being injured, helm got cut by a skate last year, this year it's white. bertuzzi, kindl, colaiacovo, helm, sammy, ericsson, and gustavsson are all injured. Eaves just came back from a 14 month concussion, and we have only played 3 games so far, so yes detroit players seem to be prone to injuries, regardless of what or how they get injured. I was being sarcastic. The term "injury prone" implies that they are injured because of something other than bad luck like they are small, play recklessly, have areas of their bodies that they often have trouble with - like a bad back or a bad knee. Getting cut by a skate is none of these. It is just plain bad luck. Bad luck and being "injury prone" are 2 different things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,474 Report post Posted January 28, 2013 I was being sarcastic. The term "injury prone" implies that they are injured because of something other than bad luck like they are small, play recklessly, have areas of their bodies that they often have trouble with - like a bad back or a bad knee. Getting cut by a skate is none of these. It is just plain bad luck. Bad luck and being "injury prone" are 2 different things. I am referring to the team being injury prone, not individual players. The last few years Detroit seems to have an injury curse. To be honest, I'd rather Huskins round out the 6th defense position than Kindl. We really need another defensive defenseman. Breakways and turnovers are killing us. Kronwall-Quincey White-Ericsson Smith-Lashoff-Huskins (rotate Lashoff and Huskins if Lashoff ever becomes less effective.) Balances out offense and defense, even though It puts two rookies on the same pairing. Until we replace Kindl, Quincey or maybe Ericsson, there just aren't any ideal pairings. Jeez, I forgot about Colaiocovo. So many defensemen! Quincey on the top pairing? Are you trying to give me a heart attack? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted January 29, 2013 (edited) Btw is it possible that Bettman has put a bounty on White? Edited January 29, 2013 by irishock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,474 Report post Posted January 29, 2013 Btw is it possible that Bettman has put a bounty on White? Hmmm, Jimmy will collect lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted January 29, 2013 He said he'll resume skating before too long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted January 29, 2013 Kronwall-Quincey White-Ericsson Smith-Lashoff-Huskins (rotate Lashoff and Huskins if Lashoff ever becomes less effective.) ! Based on how lashoff and huskins have played so far this season I'd rather see... Kronner - lash Smith - Ericsson White - huskins But if we have everyone healthy, keep them on short leashes.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jedi 1,865 Report post Posted February 1, 2013 Per Ansar KHAAAAAAN!!! Babcock said Ian White told him he will be ready to play Tuesday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Din758 371 Report post Posted February 1, 2013 i wonder who the odd man out will be, and if this is likely the end of lashoffs time here. i sure hope not. he needs experience over our rental emergency signed player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites