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That offer by Habs GM Marc Bergevin is more than fair.

uh, no.

no it's not.

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If benn is under 5.5per under the new CBA then subban sure should be below that. I know they play different positions but Benn is a far more established player at this point and only got 5.5.

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uh, no.

no it's not.

Care to elaborate?

After 2 seasons in the NHL would you - the GM of the Canadiens give in to what he wants - which I'm guessing is 5 plus years at $5 plus million per season?

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Kenny isn't going to trade D assets. Smith bundled in a Subban trade? No thank you. Helm and Nyquist plus pick? Yes, it hurts, but the blueline needs an upgrade like yesterday.

Detroit cannot afford to trade Helm. He is much more valuable than people recognize. Look what happened in the playoff when Helm went down. They had no neutral zone speed and that is why Detroit could never create any quality chances against the Preds. Then compare the first three games of the season compared to the game vs the Wild. A returning Helm is a key upgrade to Detroit's game already.

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2010-11: 14 goals and 24 assists in 17 regular season games with the Habs,

I'm positive that this never actually happened. You're missing 60 games there; it happened in 77.

2011-12: helped lead the Habs to the ECF

This, too, never transpired; the Habs didn't even make the playoffs last season. You're referring to 2009-2010. He hasn't performed that well since.

On the decidedly bad side, the kid does seem to have some "issues." But he's 23. And he's not a Wing. Being a Wing has a way of humbling players and bringing out the best in them.

Like who? What data do you have to support this? The very simple fact is that Ken Holland has never, in his entire tenure, signed a player who has a bad attitude. Those who developed one, i.e. Leino and Avery, ended up on a one-way plane out of town. You don't have a clue if being on the Wings could erase somebody's bad behavior. But human nature and human history suggest that if a highly-paid athlete has a bad attitude on one team, it's going to come with him wherever he goes.

Is he exactly what we really, truly need on D right now? Not quite, no. But, beggars and choosers and all that. And he does have some great things to offer, no doubt it.

And he will require great things to be offered if the Canadiens are to be enticed to let him go. And this is notwithstanding his salary demands, which seem to be absurd.

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For whatever the reason I always don't see "eye to eye" on certain hockey related issues, but your post above on the bottom of page #4 is spot on :thumbup:

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Care to elaborate?

After 2 seasons in the NHL would you - the GM of the Canadiens give in to what he wants - which I'm guessing is 5 plus years at $5 plus million per season?

2.5 x 2 is a lowball, period. most fans of the canadiens and other teams agree.

you're the odd one out, here.

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Yes, he actually was waring this in the 2004 victory parade.

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Tony McKegney played for the Wings as well, I think only for a season...Part of that stellar Oates/Federko trade.

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2.5 x 2 is a lowball, period. most fans of the canadiens and other teams agree.

you're the odd one out, here.

Looking at the fan responses at TSN - I'm actually in the majority...I honestly haven't seen anyone suggest that Subban's worth more than what the rumoured offer by Habs GM Marc Bergevin.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=414479

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It's worth noting that the title of the article is also NHL Rumors. And that link doesn't mention the numbers you stated as fact.

Not to say Subban isn't asking for that, but it's still all just rumblings. Which are especially suspect to me since it involves Montreal.

I haven't seen him play a ton, but he's only 23 years old and has a lot of talent. I can't see him getting Doughty money though, if only because of the new CBA.

Very true, all this is rumor. I don't think any player is going to go to the press and tell them what he thinks he is worth. The rumor wire is alive with this though, and the more I hear about it, it very well could be true.

Its obviously more than 5 million over 2 years. Subban wants a 5-6 year deal, that much is confirmed.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/01/26/canadiens-pk-subban-remain-far-apart-in-contract-talks

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Looking at the fan responses at TSN - I'm actually in the majority...I honestly haven't seen anyone suggest that Subban's worth more than what the rumoured offer by Habs GM Marc Bergevin.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=414479

TSN comments? wow, why don't we just post youtube comments.

i mean actual knowledgable hockey fans. anyone that thinks 2.5 x 2 is fair for subban is insane.

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TSN comments? wow, why don't we just post youtube comments.

i mean actual knowledgable hockey fans. anyone that thinks 2.5 x 2 is fair for subban is insane.

So - fans who post comments on Canada's largest sports network/website pertaining to a game that originated in Canada aren't "knowledgable"?...Hmm - interesting take indeed.

Are the fans here any smarter?...I mean - from the looks of it - many share my opinion on Subban...Guess we're all insane :crazy:

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Yeah I definitely see him going for more in a couple years, Montreal could have saved themselves some cash by signing him long term.

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