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#1 Toggers

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 05:59 PM

I'm wondering how the OHL compares to U.S. college hockey in terms of quality of play. For that matter, how does the AHL compare?



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Posted 27 January 2013 - 06:23 PM

College hockey has made leaps and bounds compared to what it used to be.  There is a reason a lot of good young Canadian/European kids choose US Colleges for playing.  I do think though that there are still more scouts that watch the OHL compared to US schools, so you will get a lot more kids trying to go to the OHL to get "looked" at more. But you have to take your hat off to USA Hockey in todays world, from College's to USA Natioanal Teams in the way they have improved in the last 20 years.  I would say the quality of play is similar/very close, but I think the more talent still goes to CHL (which contains the OHL/WHL/Quebec Major) for the exposure...AHL is just that, minor leagues of men who are near NHL ready or past NHL quality. 

 

 

edit: It would be very cool to see the NCAA Champion take on the CHL Champion in a game for fun....of course there are other leagues in the USA that develope kids very well too the UNited States Hockey League being one of them (Justin Abdelkader played for Cedar Rapids)

 

Here is a link to a list off ALL Hockey Leagues around the world and as you can see the Canadian and USA list is vast:

 

http://en.wikipedia....s#North_America


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 06:41 PM

Good stuff Lefty

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 06:50 PM

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 07:03 PM

In my opinion the WHL, OHL and QJMHL are way tougher to play in than any College hockey league. Don't get me wrong D-I College is really good. I go to a lot of games here in Mankato. Minnesota State Mavericks are D-I in the WCHA. However next season I believe the WCHA and CCHA are completely being re-done. No denying that some great players have come out of D-I hockey that are currently playing. Still think the major junior leagues are better. Opinion of course.

 

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 07:07 PM

THe CHL is certainly better but there can be nhl caliber stars in the ncaa.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:01 AM

In my opinion the WHL, OHL and QJMHL are way tougher to play in than any College hockey league. Don't get me wrong D-I College is really good. I go to a lot of games here in Mankato. Minnesota State Mavericks are D-I in the WCHA. However next season I believe the WCHA and CCHA are completely being re-done. No denying that some great players have come out of D-I hockey that are currently playing. Still think the major junior leagues are better. Opinion of course.

 

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You're opinion is wrong.

The NCAA hockey is much better than jr. because the players are so much older. There are many examples of players that have gone to jr. from college and they always score so much more in jr.

Some examples that come to mind. Charlie Coyle, Duncan Keith, Mike Comrie...



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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:16 AM

You're opinion is wrong.

Where else outside of LGW's is having an opinion "wrong" ;)

 

To be honest - I haven't seen much NCAA hockey as of late to really be a good judge, and just in the past few months have I been able to watch Major JR hockey on the NHL Network courtesy of the lockout...So basically I don't know enough of either to have a opinion, but in Major JR they do allow fisticuffs :thumbup:



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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:03 AM

Where else outside of LGW's is having an opinion "wrong" ;)

 

To be honest - I haven't seen much NCAA hockey as of late to really be a good judge, and just in the past few months have I been able to watch Major JR hockey on the NHL Network courtesy of the lockout...So basically I don't know enough of either to have a opinion, but in Major JR they do allow fisticuffs :thumbup:

 

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:49 AM

You're opinion is wrong.

The NCAA hockey is much better than jr. because the players are so much older. There are many examples of players that have gone to jr. from college and they always score so much more in jr.

Some examples that come to mind. Charlie Coyle, Duncan Keith, Mike Comrie...

 

Ok. But like F. Michael said the kids in juniors can drop the gloves. In the NCAA you can but get suspended for a game or two. Could be more I think. Also the icing rule in College is different. That automatic icing rule I don't like it. Maybe you do? Another opinion. Yes most College players are older than the major junior kids. NCAA D1 hockey like leftwinger stated has gotten a lot better. Opinion on that is College hockey has become much better these last 10 years or so. I think we are seeing more College players being more dominant at the NHL level than ever before. Backes (Minnesota State), Parise (North Dakato), Toews (North Dakota) to name a few. I'm sure I'm missing  more but those names come to mind.

 

Last time I remember if you play on any NCAA D1 hockey team you can't go play on any Major Junior Canadian team and vice versa? Has that rule changed?


Edited by St. Michael (the Red Wing), 28 January 2013 - 11:51 AM.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:53 AM

 
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:03 PM

You're opinion is wrong.

The NCAA hockey is much better than jr. because the players are so much older. There are many examples of players that have gone to jr. from college and they always score so much more in jr.

Some examples that come to mind. Charlie Coyle, Duncan Keith, Mike Comrie...

 

You are opinion wrong! On a more serious note, how can one's OPINION be WRONG? It's called an opinion for a reason. It's THEIRS not YOURS! Talking about the actual thread, I think more kids are prone to junior leagues because they have a bigger shot to make the big show. College is great, but majority of the schools don't have great developmental programs compared to juniors. Of course it's my opinion, but I simply feel development wise, you'll have a better shot at juniors rather than in college. 


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:14 PM

 
You are opinion wrong! On a more serious note, how can one's OPINION be WRONG? It's called an opinion for a reason. It's THEIRS not YOURS! Talking about the actual thread, I think more kids are prone to junior leagues because they have a bigger shot to make the big show. College is great, but majority of the schools don't have great developmental programs compared to juniors. Of course it's my opinion, but I simply feel development wise, you'll have a better shot at juniors rather than in college. 


I like watching the AHL better than college, but thats about it.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:20 PM

Seems like NCAA D1 hockey exists more for its own sake, while Major Jr (CHL) is intentionally a development league. Its a slight difference, and I think that is why you see more talent go to the CHL. I agree with the comment above....college and jrs should have some kind of matchup, maybe even just a little holiday tournament i.e. Great Lakes Invitational. 



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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:45 PM

The average US college team or average Cdn University team would probably beat the average CHL team, but the best players still go through the CHL.  It is tough to compare because the biggest difference that people need to consider is that the players in the CHL are probably, on average, at least 2-3 years younger than college players.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:32 PM

You're opinion is wrong.

The NCAA hockey is much better than jr. because the players are so much older. There are many examples of players that have gone to jr. from college and they always score so much more in jr.

Some examples that come to mind. Charlie Coyle, Duncan Keith, Mike Comrie...

 

You're opinion is wrong lol
Scoring more has absolutely nothing to do with how good the hockey is.

I rarely ever make it to NHL games and watch mostly CCHA and OHL games. OHL > NCAA every day of the week. College hockey has indeed gotten better, but is no way better than the CHL. Trying watching a game.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:41 PM

Ok. But like F. Michael said the kids in juniors can drop the gloves. In the NCAA you can but get suspended for a game or two. Could be more I think. Also the icing rule in College is different. That automatic icing rule I don't like it. Maybe you do? Another opinion. Yes most College players are older than the major junior kids. NCAA D1 hockey like leftwinger stated has gotten a lot better. Opinion on that is College hockey has become much better these last 10 years or so. I think we are seeing more College players being more dominant at the NHL level than ever before. Backes (Minnesota State), Parise (North Dakato), Toews (North Dakota) to name a few. I'm sure I'm missing  more but those names come to mind.

 

Last time I remember if you play on any NCAA D1 hockey team you can't go play on any Major Junior Canadian team and vice versa? Has that rule changed?

 

You have it backwards...if you play in a major junior game then your eligibility is done for that year and any subsequent game played in after that is another year gone (i.e. 2 games = 2 years of lost eligibility for the NCAA).

 

If you play on an NCAA team and are still of age, you have the option to leave to go play major junior and that can include an overage year.

 

Hope that makes sense 


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:44 PM

Ok. But like F. Michael said the kids in juniors can drop the gloves. In the NCAA you can but get suspended for a game or two. Could be more I think. Also the icing rule in College is different. That automatic icing rule I don't like it. Maybe you do? Another opinion. Yes most College players are older than the major junior kids. NCAA D1 hockey like leftwinger stated has gotten a lot better. Opinion on that is College hockey has become much better these last 10 years or so. I think we are seeing more College players being more dominant at the NHL level than ever before. Backes (Minnesota State), Parise (North Dakato), Toews (North Dakota) to name a few. I'm sure I'm missing  more but those names come to mind.

 

Last time I remember if you play on any NCAA D1 hockey team you can't go play on any Major Junior Canadian team and vice versa? Has that rule changed?

You're forgetting our own goalie! Jimmy Howard was an absolute monster in the NCAA at Maine. Brendan Smith was a beast at Wisconsin as well and look at who has came out of MSU lately, Drew and Ryan Miller, Abby, Duncan Keith and even stars like Rob Blake played in the NCAA as well. And UM has essentially produced an all-star team of players in the last 15 years


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:05 AM

You have it backwards...if you play in a major junior game then your eligibility is done for that year and any subsequent game played in after that is another year gone (i.e. 2 games = 2 years of lost eligibility for the NCAA).

 

If you play on an NCAA team and are still of age, you have the option to leave to go play major junior and that can include an overage year.

 

Hope that makes sense 

 

Thank you for explaining that. :)



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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:25 AM

OK....
 
NCAA/USA Hockey Stars:
 
1979:
 
Mike Ramsey (NCAA)
Dave Christian (NCAA)
Neal Broten (NCAA)
Glen Anderson (NCAA)
 
1980:
 
Aaron Broten (NCAA)
Jay Miller (NCAA)
Craig Ludwig (NCAA)
Steve Bozek (NCAA)
Murray Eaves (NCAA)
Dino Ciccarelli (OKC Stars)
 
1981:
 
Chris Chelios (NCAA)
Bruce Driver (NCAA)
Tom Kurvers (NCAA)
Bobby Carpenter (Mass. HS - St. Johns Prep)
 
1982:
 
Phil Housley  (Minn. HS Hockey - South St. Paul)
Tony Granato (NY Hockey - Northwood Prep)
Patrick Flately (NCAA)
Kevin Dineen (NCAA)
Kelly Miller (NCAA)
 
1983:
 
Tom Barrasso (Mass  - Acton-Boxboro HS)
Kevin Stevens (Mass - Silver Lake HS)
Brian Noonan (Mass - Archbishop Williams HS)
Norm Lacombe (NCAA)
Peter Taglianetti (NCAA)
Frank Petriangelo (NCAA)
Chris Terreri (NCAA)
Gary Galley (NCAA)
 
1984:
 
Eddie Olczyk - (US National Team)
Ken Hodge (Mass HS - St. Johns Prep)
Jeff Norton (Mass HS - Cushing Academy)
Stephan Leach (Mass - Matignon HS)
Mike Peluso (Minn HS - Greenway)
Paul Broten (Minn - Roseau HS)
Don Sweeney (N.H. - St. Paul HS)
Kevin Miller (NCAA)
Peter Douris (NCAA)
Gary Suter (NCAA)
 
1985:
 
Eric Weinrich (Maine - North Yarmouth Academy)
Tim Sweeney (Mass - Weymouth North HS)
Paul Stanton (Mass - Catholic Memorial HS)
Tom Chorske (Minn - Plymouth Armstrong HS)
Mike Ritcher (NY - Northwood Prep)
Pat Joblonski (NAHL - Detroit Compuware)
Craig Simpson (NCAA)
Joe Nieuwendyk (NCAA)
Hugh "Randy" McKay (NCAA)
Aam Oates (NCAA)
 
1986:
 
Brian Leetch (Conn. - Avon Old Farms HS)
Tom Fitzgerald (Mass - Austin Prep.)
Rob Stauber (Minn - Deluth Denfield HS)
Joe Murphey (NCAA)
Scott Young (NCAA
Craig Janey (NCAA)
Bob Corkum (NCAA)
 
1987:
 
Joe Sacco (Mass - Medford HS)
Ted Denato (Mass - Catholic Memorial HS)
Shawn McEachern (Mass - Matignon HS)
Damien Rhodes (Minn - Richfield HS)
Jim Dowd (NJ - Brick Township HS)
Brad Werenka (NCAA)
Kip Miller (NCAA)
Guy Hebert (NCAA)
Garth Snow (RI - Mt. St. Charles HS)
John Leclair (Vermont - Bellows Free Academy)
 
1988:
 
Jeremy Roenick (Mass - Thayer Academy)
Steve Heinze (Mass - Lawerence Academy)
Tony Amonte (Mass - Thayer Academy)
Marty Mcinnis (Mass - Milton Academy)
David Sacco (Mass - Medford HS)
Sean Hill (Minn - Deluth East HS)
Jason Muzatti (NCAA)
Adrian Plavsic (NCAA)
Rob Blake (NCAA)
Joe Juneau (NCAA)
Shjon Podein (NCAA)
Kevin Dahl (NCAA)
Keith Carney (RI - Mt. St. Charles HS)
 
1989:
 
Doug Zmolek (Minn - Rochester Marshall HS)
Trent Klatt (Minn - Osseo HS)
Aaron Miller (NAJHL)
Scott Pellerin (NCAA)
Jason Woolley (NCAA)
Jim Cummins (NCAA)
Allain Roy (NCAA)
Dan Bylsma (NCAA)
Dallas Drake (NCAA)
Bill Guerin (NEJHL)
Greg Johnson (USHL)
 
1990:
 
Mike Dunham (Conn - Canterbury HS)
Keith Tkachuk (Mass - Malden Cath. HS)
Ian Moran (Mass - Belmont Hill HS)
Eric Lecroix (Mass - Gov. Dummer Academy)
Craig Johnson (Minn - Hill-Murray HS)
Jeff Neilsen (Minn - Grand Rapids HS)
Craig Conroy (NY - Northwood Prep)
Bryan Smolinski (NCAA)
Doug Weight (NCAA)
Chris Tamer (NCAA)
Ken Klee (NCAA)
Steve Dubinski (NCAA)
 
1991:
 
Brian Rolston (NAHL)
Mike Knuble (NAHL/NCAA)
Brian Holzinger (NAHL)
(ALL NCAA)
Scott Lachance
Aaron Ward
Sean Pronger
Dave Karpa
Steve Sheilds
David Oliver
Brian Savage
 
1992:
 
Jim Carey (Mass - Cath. Mem. HS)
Adrain Aucoin (NCAA)
Rem Murray (NCAA)
 
1993:
 
Mikhail Shtalenkov (IHL)
Brad Norton (Mass HS - Cushing Academy)
Mike Grier (Mass HS - St. Sebatian's)
Jamie Langenbrunner (Minn - Cloquet HS)
(ALL NCAA)
Paul Kariya
Jay Pandalfo
Kevyn Adams
Jamal Mayers
Todd Marchant
Hal Gill (Oklahoma - Nashoba HS)
Landon Wilson (USHL)
 
1994:
 
Chris Drury (Conn. - Fairfield Prep.)
Radek Bonk (IHL)
Matry Turco (Mass. Cambridge HS / NCAA)
Tim Thomas (NCAA)
Ryan Johnson (USHL)
John Grahame (USHL)
 
1995:
 
Peter Sykora (IHL)
 
1996:
 
Dan Lacoture - (EJHL)
Ruslan Salei (IHL)
Tom Poti (Mass HS - Cushing Academy)
(ALL NCAA)
Erik Rasmussen
Marty Reasoner
Matt Cullen
Mark Parish
Craig MacDonald
Brett Clark
Dan Hinote
Craig Adams
 
1997:
 
Sergei Samsonov (IHL)
(ALL NCAA)
Ben Clymer
Joe Corvo
Mike York
Ben Guite
Antti Laaksonen
Josh Langfeld (USHL)
Scott Clemmensen (USHL)
 
1998:
 
(ALL NCAA)
Mike Van Ryn
Steve Moore
Joe Dipenta
Erik Cole
Brian Gionta
Shawn Horcoff
Rob Scuderi
Kent Huskins
Kent Sauer (USHL)
Josh Blankburn (USHL)
Tyler Arnason (USHL)
 
1999:
 
Douglas Murray (EJHL)
Patrik Stefan (IHL)
Ryan Miller (NAHL/NCAA)
(ALL NCAA)
Jeff Jilson
David Tanabe
Mike Commodore
Jordan Leopold
Adam Hall
Andrew Hutchinson
Doug Janik
Mike Comrie
Fedor Fedorov (UHL)
Ryan Malone (USHL/NCAA)
Jeff Finger (USHL/NCAA)
 
2000:
 
Rick Dipietro (NCAA)
Dany Heatley (NCAA)
Brooks Orpik (NCAA)
Jeff Taffe (NCAA)
Brad Winchester (NCAA)
ANdy Hilbert (NCAA)
Dan Ellis (NCAA)
Greg Zanon (NCAA)
 
2001:
 
(ALL CCHA(NCAA))
Mike Komisarek
RJ Umberger
David Steckel
Mike Cammelleri
Kevin Bieska
Patrick Sharp (ECAC - U of Vermont)
Chuck Kobadew (Boston College)
Ben Eaves (Boston College)
David Moss (USHL)
 
2002:
 
ALL (CCHA)
Eric Nystrom
Jim Slater
Duncan Keith
Patrick Dwyer
Yan Stastny
Ryan Whitney (Boston Univ.)
(ALL USHL)
Matt Greene
Joey Crab
Adam Burish
Tom Gilbert
Keith Ballard (NCAA)
Matt Jones (NCAA)
 
2003:
 
Ryan Kesler (NCAA)
Corey Potter (NCAA)
Jeff Tambellini (NCAA)
Lee Stempniak (Dartmouth College)
Matt Moulson (Cornell Univ.)
Patrick Eaves (Boston College)
Jim Howard (Maine)
Ryan Suter (US National U18)
(ALL USHL)
Matt Carle
David Backes
Drew Miller
Joe Pavelski
Brian Boyle (USHSE)
Thomas Vanek (NCAA)
Zach Parise (NCAA)
Mark Stuart (NCAA)
 
2004:
 
Travis Zajac (NCAA)
Brandon Yip (NCAA)
Al Montoya (CCHA)
David Booth (CCHA)
Mat Hunwick (CCHA)
Daniel Winnick (New Hampshire)
Kevin Porter (US Nat. U18)
Alex Goligoski (USHL)
Jim McKenzie (USHL)
Corey Scneider (USHSE)
Torrey Mitchell (USHSE)
Blake Wheeler (USHSW)
Drew Stafford (North Dakota)
 
2005:
 
TJ Hensick (CCHA)
Jack Johnson (US Nat. U18)
Justin Abdelkader (USHL)
Joe Finley (USHL)
Jared Boll (USHL)
John Quick (USHSE)
Keith Yandle (USHSE)
Brian Lee (USHSW)
TJ Oshie (USHSW)
Matt Niskanen (USHSW)
Taylor Chorney (USHSW)
Paul Stastny (Denver)
 
2006:
 
Erik Johnson (US Nat. U18)
Kyle Okposo (USHL)
Trevor Lewis (USHL)
Jeff Petry (USHL)
Johnathan Toews (North Dakota)
Phil Kessel (Minnesota)
 
2007:
 
Kyle Turris (Wisconsin)
James van Riemsdyk (US Nat U18)
Kevin Shattenkirk (US Nat U18)
Ian Cole (US Nat. U18)
Max Pacioretty (USHL)
Brendan Smith (NCAA)
 
2008:
 
Justin Schultz (NCAA)
Ben Smith (Boston College)
 
2009:
 
Chris Wideman (CCHA)
Nick Leddy (Minn HS - Eden Prarie)
 
 
I stopped right there because from 2010-2012 there just hasn't been enough time to see where these kids have gone.  I also realize that I may have missed some players due to the fact that I used the team they were playing for when they were drafted (ie. Abby was playing in the USHL when drafted and then played in the CCHA) so I may have completely missed some kids that were playing in Canada when drafted and then went on to play in the NCAA somewhere. I also may have just listed when the played in US Nat U18 (Ryan Suter) although he went on to play at Wisconsin...like I said I used the league they were in when drafted...

Edited by LeftWinger, 29 January 2013 - 01:27 AM.

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