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[wingedominance13]

Kindl needs to step up tonight. In my mind this is his final shot at being a regular. If he doesn't seize it (I hope he surprises us all) I say it's time to label him a bust and give the time to developing Lashoff or another young dman

[Euro_Twins]

I don't get it.  Lashoff is playing good and he gets sent down.  Quincey plays atrocious and gets to start every night. 

 

Yes but to play on the articles standpoint here (while I do not agree) Quincey is new to our team and our system (also being vastly overpaid) and they are giving him a chance to produce the way he did in Colorodo (which I never thought he was very impressive to begin with there) 

 

Lashoff is out tonight so they can try to get the power play going with more offensive defensemen, simple as that

[kipwinger]

Kindl needs to step up tonight. In my mind this is his final shot at being a regular. If he doesn't seize it (I hope he surprises us all) I say it's time to label him a bust and give the time to developing Lashoff or another young dman

 

I agree in principle, but I disagree that tonight should be make or break.  You can't expect a guy to play well when he's up for a game, down for two or three, up one, down again.  What does every hockey player in the world say when they return from a summer off, or a long injury?  "It will take a while to get my timing back, and get into game shape".  Timing matters a ton in hockey, and so bringing a guy in, putting him with a new partner, and then letting him sit for a few games does nothing to help improve that timing.  Kindl needs to prove something this season, but I think it's only fair to give him about three games in a row to make sure that he's comfortable out there.  s***, if we can give Quincey 5 games, I don't think there's any reason not to give Kindl 3.

[wingedominance13]

Fair point. I just am so ready for kindl to so somethjng productive instead of looking like a lost chicken on the ice. He needs to show he belongs at the NHL level

[esteef]

Turn him into a forward.

 

esteef

[ogreslayer]

Fair point. I just am so ready for kindl to so somethjng productive instead of looking like a lost chicken on the ice. He needs to show he belongs at the NHL level

And that's going to take consistent ice time if Babcock will give it to him. Either way, it's going to be an interesting off season given how many UFAs/RFAs the Wings will have. Kindl might not be the only one facing a make or break year when it comes to staying in the Winged Wheel.

[kipwinger]

I completely agree, and I don't mean to sound like I think the guy should be given a spot just because he's been around a while.  He needs to sink or swim, BUT I also think it's unfair to suggest (not that you did) the guy is sinking when he hasn't been given any kind of regular playing time, and when he does, he's typically utilized incorrectly.  Tonight he'll be paired with a shutdown guy, he should be able to play to his strengths (the transition game), and he'll get some time on the PP.  That's using his skill set properly.  If they do that for 3 or 4 games and he still doesn't look good, then I'd say it's fair to cut him loose. 

[haroldsnepsts]

I agree in principle, but I disagree that tonight should be make or break.  You can't expect a guy to play well when he's up for a game, down for two or three, up one, down again.  What does every hockey player in the world say when they return from a summer off, or a long injury?  "It will take a while to get my timing back, and get into game shape".  Timing matters a ton in hockey, and so bringing a guy in, putting him with a new partner, and then letting him sit for a few games does nothing to help improve that timing.  Kindl needs to prove something this season, but I think it's only fair to give him about three games in a row to make sure that he's comfortable out there.  s***, if we can give Quincey 5 games, I don't think there's any reason not to give Kindl 3.

I think it should be make or break.  

 

This isn't Kindl's first shot at the roster.  He played 55 games last season and 48 the season before that, and was a regular in the lineup for long stretches.  

 

While I agree they should give him a crack at several games in a row, if after that he still can't hold on to even a #6 spot as a 26 year old in his third season, when will he? 

 

EDIT:  Just saw you said TONIGHT was make or break.  Definitely agree he should get more than one game.  This season will be make or break, not just one game. 

[ogreslayer]

I completely agree, and I don't mean to sound like I think the guy should be given a spot just because he's been around a while.  He needs to sink or swim, BUT I also think it's unfair to suggest (not that you did) the guy is sinking when he hasn't been given any kind of regular playing time, and when he does, he's typically utilized incorrectly.  Tonight he'll be paired with a shutdown guy, he should be able to play to his strengths (the transition game), and he'll get some time on the PP.  That's using his skill set properly.  If they do that for 3 or 4 games and he still doesn't look good, then I'd say it's fair to cut him loose. 

Definitely hear you there. Tough to give up on a guy who was your highest draft pick in a decade & still hasn't hit the age when most d-men in the league "get it" according to most experts.

In a way, what Kindl is going through is similar to Huds imo. Happy needed to be a top 6 forward to be effective, yet year after year the attitude seemed to be that he had to prove his worth on the bottom 6. To say that didn't fit his wheelhouse would be an understatement. Round peg meet square hole.

[GMRwings1983]

Trade him as part of the Stamkos deal.  

[Euro_Twins]

He will most likely be traded by the deadline, especially if he doesn't prove he can hold even a #6 spot, with guys like Lashoff, Smith, Huskins, and even Quincey outplaying him (not so sure about Quincey ) he won't be needed, let him get some ice time somewhere else and stop torturing  him here

[GMRwings1983]

He will most likely be traded by the deadline, especially if he doesn't prove he can hold even a #6 spot, with guys like Lashoff, Smith, Huskins, and even Quincey outplaying him (not so sure about Quincey ) he won't be needed, let him get some ice time somewhere else and stop torturing  him here

 

 

Maybe the Flyers would take him.  They did wonders with Leino.

[cusimano_brothers]

“He’s a skilled guy on the back. He’s got to move the puck, he’s got to shoot the puck,''

 

I recall that when he played in Kitchener, he played with an "edge". Somewhere between then and now (whether it be his decision or someone else's) he's lost that part of his game.

[Euro_Twins]

 

Maybe the Flyers would take him.  They did wonders with Leino.

 

Naw, Stevie will pick him up

[number9]

I'm actually excited they're giving Kindl a chance to really prove himself. Hope he steps up as a puck mover. To me it always just looked like someone needed to light a fire under his butt

[kipwinger]

 

Maybe the Flyers would take him.  They did wonders with Leino.

 

 

Whatever happened to the Tollefsen guy we traded Leino for?  I know there wasn't any place to put him when the trade took place, but seems like someone could have used him for depth.  Was he that bad?

Edited by kipwinger, 29 January 2013 - 04:00 PM.

[Travis]

Whatever happened to the Tollefsen guy we traded Leino for?  I know there wasn't any place to put him when the trade took place, but seems like someone could have used him for depth.  Was he that bad?
 

 

Didn't he decide to head back to Europe?

[ogreslayer]

Didn't he decide to head back to Europe?

He did.  It's my understanding that the Wings took Tollefson as a way to keep the Flyers under the roster limit in order to pull off the deal.  Never really had any plans for him from what I remember.

 

Edit: And if I remember correctly, didn't he have a bunch of knee & concussion problems that season too?

Edited by ogreslayer, 29 January 2013 - 04:32 PM.

[blgillett]

Maybe he could sell pizza's for Mr. I

[GMRwings1983]

Whatever happened to the Tollefsen guy we traded Leino for?  I know there wasn't any place to put him when the trade took place, but seems like someone could have used him for depth.  Was he that bad?

 

A Euro who drops the gloves?  Holland was appalled at the idea.