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#61 Johnz96

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:23 PM

That is just wrong on so many levels. O'Reilly has produced more points at the NHL level than Tatar or Nyquist have at the AHL level. Big huge giant difference. he is 22-just turned that this past week, that is YOUNGER than Nyquist. At 6-0/200 he is much better equiped to handle the grind of the NHL. he is on his way to being a 70+ point per year guy. Nyquist/tatar will never be there.

Now we can like or hate the current pay schedules in pro sports, but that is what they make.

YOU are so wrong on so many levels.He scored 55 points last year, his best year and the only year he has shown any offensive potential. In the 2 previous seasons he scored 26 points each. Even in jr he could never manage a point per game in a season. Both Nyquist and Tatar have scored more than 55 points in a season and have done it with a lot less than 81 games. O'Reilly has scored 107 points in 236 NHL games a 0.45 PPG Nyquist has 107 points in 111 AHL games a 0.96 PPG. Tatar has scored 186 points in 248 games a 0.76 PPG. O'Reilly hasn't scored more in the NHL than either of them in the AHL in a season or for their careers (in fact Nyquist more than doubles O"Reilly's PPG and Tatar almost does as well). Please stop lying on these threads, that's the second time in less than a week that I have caught you lying about stats.

Sure he is a little bigger than Nyquist and Tatar but Nyquist is much faster and Tatar is also faster but also more physical, probably stronger and tougher, he is a workout warrior, with very little body fat.

The only reason O'Reilly has more points in the NHL than they do is because of the team he was drafted by. If he was drafted by the Wings he would still be toiling in the minors and you would consider him a middling prospect without any star potential because he would be behind Tatar and Nyquist in the pecking order.


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:15 PM

YOU are so wrong on so many levels.He scored 55 points last year, his best year and the only year he has shown any offensive potential. In the 2 previous seasons he scored 26 points each. Even in jr he could never manage a point per game in a season. Both Nyquist and Tatar have scored more than 55 points in a season and have done it with a lot less than 81 games. O'Reilly has scored 107 points in 236 NHL games a 0.45 PPG Nyquist has 107 points in 111 AHL games a 0.96 PPG. Tatar has scored 186 points in 248 games a 0.76 PPG. O'Reilly hasn't scored more in the NHL than either of them in the AHL in a season or for their careers (in fact Nyquist more than doubles O"Reilly's PPG and Tatar almost does as well). Please stop lying on these threads, that's the second time in less than a week that I have caught you lying about stats.

Sure he is a little bigger than Nyquist and Tatar but Nyquist is much faster and Tatar is also faster but also more physical, probably stronger and tougher, he is a workout warrior, with very little body fat.

The only reason O'Reilly has more points in the NHL than they do is because of the team he was drafted by. If he was drafted by the Wings he would still be toiling in the minors and you would consider him a middling prospect without any star potential because he would be behind Tatar and Nyquist in the pecking order.

LOL, this is funny and kinda sad at the same time. Are you really trying to compare AHL points to NHL points? if so, there is nothing else to discuss. those 2 things are not even close. 58 points in the 2012 season Nyquists and tatars best full seasons to date is not better in any way shape or form than 55 points in the NHL for the same season. its like Al bundy bragging about once scoring 4 touchdowns in a HS football game. if you can't see this you destroy any and all validity in all your points. BTW neither Nyquist or tatar ever scored a point a game in Juniors either-they didn't play. They played overseas and Nyquist played college hockey, which again isn't the same, by a long shot.

O'Reilly would be the 3rd or 4th best F on our team. Only datsyuk and Z clearly better right now, and he is about equal to Filppula. The difference is, he is on the upswing, where the rest are on the down swing.

One last thing. Nyquist can't stick on our team right now. he once again has been sent down. He isn't able to beat guys like eaves, Cleary, Abby, Emmerton, etc....


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#63 Johnz96

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 09:13 PM

LOL, this is funny and kinda sad at the same time. Are you really trying to compare AHL points to NHL points? if so, there is nothing else to discuss. those 2 things are not even close. 58 points in the 2012 season Nyquists and tatars best full seasons to date is not better in any way shape or form than 55 points in the NHL for the same season. its like Al bundy bragging about once scoring 4 touchdowns in a HS football game. if you can't see this you destroy any and all validity in all your points. BTW neither Nyquist or tatar ever scored a point a game in Juniors either-they didn't play. They played overseas and Nyquist played college hockey, which again isn't the same, by a long shot.

O'Reilly would be the 3rd or 4th best F on our team. Only datsyuk and Z clearly better right now, and he is about equal to Filppula. The difference is, he is on the upswing, where the rest are on the down swing.

One last thing. Nyquist can't stick on our team right now. he once again has been sent down. He isn't able to beat guys like eaves, Cleary, Abby, Emmerton, etc....

You are the one who was comparing NHL stats to AHL stats when you said that O'Reilly scored more in the NHL than Tatar and Nyquist scored in the AHL, I was poin ting out that that was a flat out lie. The years in which Nyquist and Tatar scored 58 points they did it in a lot less than the 81 games it took O'Reilly to score 55.



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Posted 17 February 2013 - 12:07 AM

You are the one who was comparing NHL stats to AHL stats when you said that O'Reilly scored more in the NHL than Tatar and Nyquist scored in the AHL, I was poin ting out that that was a flat out lie. The years in which Nyquist and Tatar scored 58 points they did it in a lot less than the 81 games it took O'Reilly to score 55.

ya 76 games. a lot less vs a lot less competition. O'reilly is a much better player today, tomorrow, and baring serious injury his whole career. Now you can say we should target others, which is fine. Everyone has their favs. But if we could get O'Reilly-and there is no evidence we are even trying, we should. Would be an instant upgrade to our team. He alone is better than Nyquist and tatar together.



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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:18 AM

Best defense is a good offense. If we have the puck, then of course the other team doesn't. That helps our D. Even if datsyuk is playing we still need more talent across the board.


Oh, I agree. We need a solid, top-pairing, two-way D-man who can run the power-play and provide consistent defense and offensive production and a proven, consistent goal-scorer to help stabilize the 5-on-5 offense and get the power-play going, at least. We could use even more, but those two things are the biggest need that I see. Would love for that scorer to be a true, gritty power forward, too. Problem is, neither of those two things seem to be available now or well into the future. Of course, I don't see Holland trying very hard, either. I certainly hope there's something going on behind closed doors that we don't know about, because I've heard absolutely nothing.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 05:47 PM

ya 76 games. a lot less vs a lot less competition. O'reilly is a much better player today, tomorrow, and baring serious injury his whole career. Now you can say we should target others, which is fine. Everyone has their favs. But if we could get O'Reilly-and there is no evidence we are even trying, we should. Would be an instant upgrade to our team. He alone is better than Nyquist and tatar together.

Nyquist did it in 56 games and Tatar also scored 57 in 70



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Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:21 PM

Nyquist did it in 56 games and Tatar also scored 57 in 70

tatar scored 58 in 76 games. Again doesn't matter. AHL points are not the same as NHL points. Go back and look at the points totals from last year, and see where O'reilly and his 55 points compare to others around him. Some of the others that scored 50-60 points: kane, Ryan, Toews, getzlaf, Backes, versteeg, etc etc.... Now go check what those guys make per season. 5 million is the market rate.

BTW with the crappy play that Fil is showing to date this season, O'Reilly would be our 3rd best player. A close 3rd behind D and Z.



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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:10 AM

tatar scored 58 in 76 games. Again doesn't matter. AHL points are not the same as NHL points. Go back and look at the points totals from last year, and see where O'reilly and his 55 points compare to others around him. Some of the others that scored 50-60 points: kane, Ryan, Toews, getzlaf, Backes, versteeg, etc etc.... Now go check what those guys make per season. 5 million is the market rate.

BTW with the crappy play that Fil is showing to date this season, O'Reilly would be our 3rd best player. A close 3rd behind D and Z.

He also scored 57 in 70.

You lie, you leave out pertinent info when trying to make an argument and you're a ****  that's why you have the worst +/- ever recorded here.

O'Reilly scored a few more points than Hudler did last year but needed a lot more ice-time to do so, other than last year he has never produced much at any level, not even in jr.



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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:39 AM

He also scored 57 in 70.

You lie, you leave out pertinent info when trying to make an argument and you're a ****  that's why you have the worst +/- ever recorded here.

O'Reilly scored a few more points than Hudler did last year but needed a lot more ice-time to do so, other than last year he has never produced much at any level, not even in jr.

Lie? How. I used his best season. As for +/- on a forum, you have to be kidding.... Are you 12? Also, in 08/08 while playing for Erie, O'reilly scored 66 points in 68 games. Next year he was a rookie in the NHL. Never played in the minors like Nyquist and tatar are. Year before O'Reilly put up 52 points in 61 games. So, as I have stated before, he improves every year. Which is what you want from your young stars.



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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:04 AM

Lie? How. I used his best season. As for +/- on a forum, you have to be kidding.... Are you 12? Also, in 08/08 while playing for Erie, O'reilly scored 66 points in 68 games. Next year he was a rookie in the NHL. Never played in the minors like Nyquist and tatar are. Year before O'Reilly put up 52 points in 61 games. So, as I have stated before, he improves every year. Which is what you want from your young stars.

I already pointed out your lies. You said O'Reilly scored more in the NHL than Nyquist or Tatar scored in the AHL. A lie. You said "Just for reference, tatar's best season in GR was 58 points. Emmerton......52. Nothing to see here, please move along......". A lie

O'Reilly never played in the minors because of the team he plays for, if he was drafted by the Wings, he would still be toiling in the minors and you would consider him a middling prospect without any star potential because he would be behind Tatar and Nyquist in the pecking order.

Even Emmerton managed to score a lot more than  than a point a game in jr.

O'Reilly scored 5 more points (7 fewer goals) than Hudler last year but did it with 313 more minutes of ice-time an equivalent of more than 20 games for Hudler.



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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:14 AM

I already pointed out your lies. You said O'Reilly scored more in the NHL than Nyquist or Tatar scored in the AHL. A lie. You said "Just for reference, tatar's best season in GR was 58 points. Emmerton......52. Nothing to see here, please move along......". A lie

O'Reilly never played in the minors because of the team he plays for, if he was drafted by the Wings, he would still be toiling in the minors and you would consider him a middling prospect without any star potential because he would be behind Tatar and Nyquist in the pecking order.

Even Emmerton managed to score a lot more than  than a point a game in jr.

O'Reilly scored 5 more points (7 fewer goals) than Hudler last year but did it with 313 more minutes of ice-time an equivalent of more than 20 games for Hudler.

Yes I misquoted myself on Nyquist and Emmerton, which I admitted to. it was Abdelkader that scored 52, not Emmerton. So glad that finding every mistake everyone makes is the sole goal of your life. Fact O'reilly is better than Nyquist and tatar. O'Reilly is already producing at the NHL level and those 2 have not. In fact, Nyquist can't even keep a job here.

Now you can not beleive it, keep hoping coal turns into a diamond, and that is fine. But trying to deny that O'reilly wouldn't be an upgrade is just wrong. He would be the 3rd best player on our team right now, and only get better.



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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:48 PM

Yes I misquoted myself on Nyquist and Emmerton, which I admitted to. it was Abdelkader that scored 52, not Emmerton. So glad that finding every mistake everyone makes is the sole goal of your life. Fact O'reilly is better than Nyquist and tatar. O'Reilly is already producing at the NHL level and those 2 have not. In fact, Nyquist can't even keep a job here.

Now you can not beleive it, keep hoping coal turns into a diamond, and that is fine. But trying to deny that O'reilly wouldn't be an upgrade is just wrong. He would be the 3rd best player on our team right now, and only get better.

fact tatar has 2 goals and 2 assists in 7 games this year, and is being promoted to the top 6 in place of cleary, I'll keep Tatar up here


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:54 PM

Yes I misquoted myself on Nyquist and Emmerton, which I admitted to. it was Abdelkader that scored 52, not Emmerton. So glad that finding every mistake everyone makes is the sole goal of your life. Fact O'reilly is better than Nyquist and tatar. O'Reilly is already producing at the NHL level and those 2 have not. In fact, Nyquist can't even keep a job here.

Now you can not beleive it, keep hoping coal turns into a diamond, and that is fine. But trying to deny that O'reilly wouldn't be an upgrade is just wrong. He would be the 3rd best player on our team right now, and only get better.

They weren't misquotes, you're a liar.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:44 PM

All of this debate over O'Reilly is pointless because there is absolutely no chance that he gets traded to Detroit.

 

Why you ask?

 

Two major reasons:

 

1. They have been stating all along that Colorado would prefer to send him to an Eastern conference team.

Pretty cut and dry. I'm sure guys out there that like to trade like Sather and Holmgren have already been on the phone multiple times.

 

2. What Colorado wants vs. what Holland will normally shell out.

Colorado wants a roster player that can make an impact, a 1st or 2nd rounder AND a decent prospect.

 

Forget all of the players that most of you want Detroit to trade like Cleary, Filppula, Quincey, Samuelsson etc etc. Colorado is going to want a roster player that can come in and make an impact and potentially get some years out of them. They are severely lacking offense from the back end, so at the top of their list would be Brendan Smith. If not him, I'm betting the next player they would want would be Darren Helm. For the prospect would want either Nyquist or Tatar.

 

In almost 16 years, Holland has never traded prospects of Tatar and Nyquists ilk, and has only traded a roster player of Smith or Helms calibre once in a deal to bring a player to the team. I doubt he is going to start now.

 

The chances of this deal happening are extremely slim to none.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:54 PM

fact tatar has 2 goals and 2 assists in 7 games this year, and is being promoted to the top 6 in place of cleary, I'll keep Tatar up here

you are not really silly enough to judge any player on 7 games are you? Didn't Smith have a great little 8 game streak last year as well? The question with tatar is can he do it over 80 games? i don't think he can or will. Untill he plays a full season or 2, we will not know. I have said on many different threads, PLAY NYQUIST and Tatar so we do know. When it is all said and done, I beleive they will settle in as 40 point per year players. 18-20 goals and 20 or so assists every year. Horrible, no. Stars? No.



All of this debate over O'Reilly is pointless because there is absolutely no chance that he gets traded to Detroit.

 

Why you ask?

 

Two major reasons:

 

1. They have been stating all along that Colorado would prefer to send him to an Eastern conference team.

Pretty cut and dry. I'm sure guys out there that like to trade like Sather and Holmgren have already been on the phone multiple times.

 

2. What Colorado wants vs. what Holland will normally shell out.

Colorado wants a roster player that can make an impact, a 1st or 2nd rounder AND a decent prospect.

 

Forget all of the players that most of you want Detroit to trade like Cleary, Filppula, Quincey, Samuelsson etc etc. Colorado is going to want a roster player that can come in and make an impact and potentially get some years out of them. They are severely lacking offense from the back end, so at the top of their list would be Brendan Smith. If not him, I'm betting the next player they would want would be Darren Helm. For the prospect would want either Nyquist or Tatar.

 

In almost 16 years, Holland has never traded prospects of Tatar and Nyquists ilk, and has only traded a roster player of Smith or Helms calibre once in a deal to bring a player to the team. I doubt he is going to start now.

 

The chances of this deal happening are extremely slim to none.

I agree. It is the type of move we need, but we will not make.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:19 PM

you are not really silly enough to judge any player on 7 games are you? Didn't Smith have a great little 8 game streak last year as well? The question with tatar is can he do it over 80 games? i don't think he can or will. Untill he plays a full season or 2, we will not know. I have said on many different threads, PLAY NYQUIST and Tatar so we do know. When it is all said and done, I beleive they will settle in as 40 point per year players. 18-20 goals and 20 or so assists every year. Horrible, no. Stars? No.



I agree. It is the type of move we need, but we will not make.

This team needs a quality top4 dman wayyyy before they need Ryan O'Reilly.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:50 PM

If he's going anywhere, he's going East.  The Avs don't want to see him several times a year.  Toronto has been rumored to be making a strong play for him, and Philly butted into the talks recently.  The Rangers have also entered the discussion.  Ottawa doesn't seem interested in mortgaging their future on a guy with one season of 50+ points.  Not to mention that, unless no one remembers, the Avs hate us.  There's no way they'd trade us one of their best players unless Datsyuk AND Zetterberg are involved.  Toronto, Philly, and New York are the three most likely.  Toronto because they flat-out need him and Philly and New York because Holmgren and Sather have compulsive needs to make big deals for big-name players to satisfy their even bigger egos.  I am also of the opinion that both Sather and Holmgren are extremely media-driven.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:37 PM

you are not really silly enough to judge any player on 7 games are you? Didn't Smith have a great little 8 game streak last year as well? The question with tatar is can he do it over 80 games? i don't think he can or will. Untill he plays a full season or 2, we will not know. I have said on many different threads, PLAY NYQUIST and Tatar so we do know. When it is all said and done, I beleive they will settle in as 40 point per year players. 18-20 goals and 20 or so assists every year. Horrible, no. Stars? No.


I agree. It is the type of move we need, but we will not make.


You're right cleary is playing sooooo much better than Tatar, keep him in the top 6 cause Tatar has only played 7 games, I think you have a couple screws loose sometimes
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