Carman 387 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 But we'd be much better off with those 6 and 7 million dollar goalies. We're not the team anymore that scores 3+ goals a game and gives up around 25 shots. We need a goalie to carry this team. Look at his save percentage this season. I realize the defense is terrible, but that's what great goalies do. They carry their teams into the playoffs. Howard is a solid netminder, but he's not elite enough for a team that doesn't have enough around him. It all comes back to Kenny and the mediocre roster he allowed us to be left with. The goalie is only as good as the team and system in front of him. Why else do you think Hitchcock has a Vezina candidate every year? Coindence? What goalie do you want? Lundqvist, Rinne, Kiprusoff, Hiller and Miller are both "elite goalies" that have worse stats then Howard even though he's been mediocre. Honestly a goalie isn't going to be elite without a great team/system in front of him. Unless you are talking about Hasek, or seemingly one year wonders like Mason, Smith etc. 1 dat's sick reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fat guy in a maltby jersey Report post Posted February 3, 2013 that 2nd powerplay unit is the worst the wings have iced in a couple decades just laughably bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datterberg1340 626 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 will be very disappointed when, not if, mind you- when Holland decides Cleary deserves a 5 year deal for being a "warrior" out there 1 SaCkaveli20 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 But we'd be much better off with those 6 and 7 million dollar goalies. We're not the team anymore that scores 3+ goals a game and gives up around 25 shots. We need a goalie to carry this team. Look at his save percentage this season. I realize the defense is terrible, but that's what great goalies do. They carry their teams into the playoffs despite crappy play around them. Howard is a solid netminder, but he's not elite enough for a team that doesn't have enough talent surrounding him. It all comes back to Kenny and the mediocre roster he allowed us to be left with. Clearly, or Cleary? Today? I'm pretty sure you would find a way to be negative in a swimming pool full of naked women and 100 dollar bills 1 GMRwings1983 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datterberg1340 626 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 Mule was sleepwalking on the last 2 BJ goals, no back-checking going on at all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 I'm pretty sure you would find a way to be negative in a swimming pool full of naked women and 100 dollar bills Doubt it. Take me there, and I'll see if you're right. 1 Marty Barry reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KenHolland 2 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 It all comes back to Kenny and the mediocre roster he allowed us to be left with. You are clearly behind. The Stanley Cup Champions last season had the 16th best record in the league. Mediocrity can win a Stanley Cup in today's NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 The goalie is only as good as the team and system in front of him. Why else do you think Hitchcock has a Vezina candidate every year? Coindence? What goalie do you want? Lundqvist, Rinne, Kiprusoff, Hiller and Miller are both "elite goalies" that have worse stats then Howard even though he's been mediocre. Honestly a goalie isn't going to be elite without a great team/system in front of him. Unless you are talking about Hasek, or seemingly one year wonders like Mason, Smith etc. So you don't think there's a valid reason why Howard gets paid way less money than the top goalies? You are clearly behind. The Stanley Cup Champions last season had the 16th best record in the league. Mediocrity can win a Stanley Cup in today's NHL. Their roster was much better than ours. They underachieved in the regular season. They had a great top 6 that could score many goals. Better than our top 6. Also, they had a real number one d-man in Doughty and a top notch goalie in Quick. Do we have that? Also, their bottom lines outworked the opposition in the playoffs and wore teams down. Do we have a bottom 6 that can wear teams down and outwork them in a seven game series? Teams win in the playoffs either with great offensive talent, or with tight checking/solid defense and a hot goalie. As I said many games ago, we don't have any of that, and are still searching for an identity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 Doubt it. Take me there, and I'll see if you're right. If I knew of this magical place I most likely wouldn't take you. You would complain the water is too cold or the 100 dollar bills are fake Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 So you don't think there's a valid reason why Howard gets paid way less money than the top goalies? Yeah, because when he signed his last deal he had only 2 seasons of play to negotiate on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 If I knew of this magical place I most likely wouldn't take you. You would complain the water is too cold or the 100 dollar bills are fake Are they? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeff48109 474 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 kronwall has been brutal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 So kronner holds the line like a drunk driver. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Greek 323 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 Kronner was just bailed out by jimmy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 Yeah, because when he signed his last deal he had only 2 seasons of play to negotiate on... Well, I doubt he'll get it when his next deal is up. Besides, how many years did Rinne have before he negotiated his deal? I don't remember him being a veteran. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fat guy in a maltby jersey Report post Posted February 3, 2013 worst special teams in the league, ladies and gentlemen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Greek 323 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 Kronner was just bailed out by jimmy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 legs not going anymore. boys are mailing this one in it seems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 Well, I doubt he'll get it when his next deal is up. Besides, how many years did Rinne have before he negotiated his deal? I don't remember him being a veteran. He had 4 seasons and about 100 more games before his big deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 Kronner needs to eat more oatmeal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 Kronner needs to eat more oatmeal. kronner needs more cowbell 4 gowings00, Hockeymom1960, Marty Barry and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 He had 4 seasons and about 100 more games before his big deal. Well, he's proved more deserving. Howard hasn't been bad, but we need him to be a thief and steal games and points. Instead, he gives up two questionable goals and now we're in a hole. Part of me says he needs to be more consistent, but part of me realizes he's not paid like a star. It's like expecting Filppula to put up 80 points. He is what he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 Ugh bad pinch by ericsson, we are just getting outplayed by one of the worst teams in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowings00 545 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 My strategy as a coach against the wings would be to take as many penalties as possible while telling my guys to dive as much as possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marty Barry 230 Report post Posted February 3, 2013 I thought for sure we'd see some tootoo fisticuffs tonight. There is no excuse for the tired old 2nd of a back2back with us playing the cbj. 1 datterberg1340 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites