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#201 Carman

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:51 PM

But we'd be much better off with those 6 and 7 million dollar goalies.  We're not the team anymore that scores 3+ goals a game and gives up around 25 shots.  We need a goalie to carry this team.  

 

Look at his save percentage this season.  I realize the defense is terrible, but that's what great goalies do.  They carry their teams into the playoffs.  Howard is a solid netminder, but he's not elite enough for a team that doesn't have enough around him.  

 

It all comes back to Kenny and the mediocre roster he allowed us to be left with.    

The goalie is only as good as the team and system in front of him.

 

Why else do you think Hitchcock has a Vezina candidate every year? Coindence?

What goalie do you want? Lundqvist, Rinne, Kiprusoff, Hiller and Miller are both "elite goalies" that have worse stats then Howard even though he's been mediocre.

 

Honestly a goalie isn't going to be elite without a great team/system in front of him. Unless you are talking about Hasek, or seemingly one year wonders like Mason, Smith etc.



#202 fat guy in a maltby jersey

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:51 PM

that 2nd powerplay unit is the worst the wings have iced in a couple decades

 

just laughably bad.



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:51 PM

will be very disappointed when, not if, mind you- when Holland decides Cleary deserves a 5 year deal for being a "warrior" out there



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:52 PM

 
But we'd be much better off with those 6 and 7 million dollar goalies.  We're not the team anymore that scores 3+ goals a game and gives up around 25 shots.  We need a goalie to carry this team.  
 
Look at his save percentage this season.  I realize the defense is terrible, but that's what great goalies do.  They carry their teams into the playoffs despite crappy play around them.  Howard is a solid netminder, but he's not elite enough for a team that doesn't have enough talent surrounding him.  
 
It all comes back to Kenny and the mediocre roster he allowed us to be left with.    

 
Clearly, or Cleary?   ;)

 
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I'm pretty sure you would find a way to be negative in a swimming pool full of naked women and 100 dollar bills

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LGW after 1 loss is irrational, after a few in a row it becomes quite comical, 22 playoff appearances in a row and 4 cups in that time and still going strong. Relaxxxxx !!
 


#205 datterberg1340

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:52 PM

Mule was sleepwalking on the last 2 BJ goals, no back-checking going on at all



#206 GMRwings1983

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:56 PM

I'm pretty sure you would find a way to be negative in a swimming pool full of naked women and 100 dollar bills

 

:lol:

 

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:57 PM

It all comes back to Kenny and the mediocre roster he allowed us to be left with.    

 

You are clearly behind. The Stanley Cup Champions last season had the 16th best record in the league. Mediocrity can win a Stanley Cup in today's NHL.



#208 GMRwings1983

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:00 PM

The goalie is only as good as the team and system in front of him.

 

Why else do you think Hitchcock has a Vezina candidate every year? Coindence?

What goalie do you want? Lundqvist, Rinne, Kiprusoff, Hiller and Miller are both "elite goalies" that have worse stats then Howard even though he's been mediocre.

 

Honestly a goalie isn't going to be elite without a great team/system in front of him. Unless you are talking about Hasek, or seemingly one year wonders like Mason, Smith etc.

 

So you don't think there's a valid reason why Howard gets paid way less money than the top goalies?  



You are clearly behind. The Stanley Cup Champions last season had the 16th best record in the league. Mediocrity can win a Stanley Cup in today's NHL.

 

Their roster was much better than ours.  They underachieved in the regular season.

 

They had a great top 6 that could score many goals.  Better than our top 6.  Also, they had a real number one d-man in Doughty and a top notch goalie in Quick.  Do we have that?

 

Also, their bottom lines outworked the opposition in the playoffs and wore teams down.  Do we have a bottom 6 that can wear teams down and outwork them in a seven game series?  

 

Teams win in the playoffs either with great offensive talent, or with tight checking/solid defense and a hot goalie.  As I said many games ago, we don't have any of that, and are still searching for an identity.


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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:00 PM

 
:lol:
 
Doubt it.  Take me there, and I'll see if you're right.


If I knew of this magical place I most likely wouldn't take you. You would complain the water is too cold or the 100 dollar bills are fake

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LGW after 1 loss is irrational, after a few in a row it becomes quite comical, 22 playoff appearances in a row and 4 cups in that time and still going strong. Relaxxxxx !!
 


#210 Carman

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:01 PM

So you don't think there's a valid reason why Howard gets paid way less money than the top goalies?  

 

Yeah, because when he signed his last deal he had only 2 seasons of play to negotiate on...



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:02 PM

If I knew of this magical place I most likely wouldn't take you. You would complain the water is too cold or the 100 dollar bills are fake

 

Are they?  


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#212 jeff48109

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:02 PM

kronwall has been brutal



#213 dirtydangles

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:03 PM

So kronner holds the line like a drunk driver.



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:03 PM

Kronner was just bailed out by jimmy.

#215 GMRwings1983

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:03 PM

Yeah, because when he signed his last deal he had only 2 seasons of play to negotiate on...

 

Well, I doubt he'll get it when his next deal is up.  

 

Besides, how many years did Rinne have before he negotiated his deal?  I don't remember him being a veteran.  


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#216 fat guy in a maltby jersey

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:03 PM

worst special teams in the league, ladies and gentlemen.



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:03 PM

Kronner was just bailed out by jimmy.

#218 dirtydangles

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:04 PM

legs not going anymore. boys are mailing this one in it seems.



#219 Carman

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:05 PM

Well, I doubt he'll get it when his next deal is up.  

 

Besides, how many years did Rinne have before he negotiated his deal?  I don't remember him being a veteran.  

 

He had 4 seasons and about 100 more games before his big deal.



#220 Hockeymom1960

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:05 PM

Kronner needs to eat more oatmeal.







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