evilzyme 769 Report post Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) Call me crazy but I'd call 37 saves on 38 shots thru two periods an elite performance.. Mrazek with his single NHL game is elite! Edited February 10, 2013 by evilzyme 1 evilmrt reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted February 10, 2013 Howard's SV% is now .907% and climbing. Just saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 10, 2013 Three goals allowed on 71 shots in two games over less than 24 hours. I'll take it! 1 Motown4013 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted February 10, 2013 Three goals allowed on 71 shots in two games over less than 24 hours. I'll take it! Not bad for average. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted February 10, 2013 If 45 saves on 47 shots in one game is average, there are no elite goalies. Howie is great and getting better every game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrimsonFlame 424 Report post Posted February 10, 2013 If 45 saves on 47 shots in one game is average, there are no elite goalies. Howie is great and getting better every game. To be fair the kings offense is also the worst offense in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted February 10, 2013 To be fair the kings offense is also the worst offense in the league. worst offense gets 47 shots (at least half of which were scoring chances)? Howie is a great tender. I'll just calmly accept the fact that no matter how good he plays, some people will always underrate him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ram 240 Report post Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) To be fair the kings offense is also the worst offense in the league. Fair enough, but they still are the defending Cup champs. They were getting chances all day. They have offensive firepower, albeit not starting well so far this season. And Jimmy was coming off a hard fought game yesterday. As hard as he worked today, he deserves some credit. I wonder what it will take for Jimmy naysayers to come around. A Cup? Again, I do not put Jimmy as a Top 5, maybe even 10, goaltenders in the league, but he usually gives the team a chance to win. He is the Wings guy until proven otherwise. The times I have said, "Jimmy was huge today." outweigh the times I have said, "He cost us the game today." Edited February 10, 2013 by Ram 3 haroldsnepsts, Nightfall and amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted February 10, 2013 Title makes me laugh!!! Great joke!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoobiedoobin 138 Report post Posted February 10, 2013 Howard is above average. Mraz is elite The team in front of Howard is better than the one in front of Quick Yeah, when they want to be. But more often than not Howard has to be superhuman. This topic will go how stuff like this usually goes. Anyone calling him average or below average has to sit here quietly seething, waiting for a bad game so they can full on sprint to their computer and mash out an I TOLD YA SO response. We turn every opinion into a competition to see who is right. No wonder we go back and forth forever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoalieManPat 1,007 Report post Posted February 11, 2013 Howard is above average. Mraz is elite The team in front of Howard is better than the one in front of Quick Ya the team that was easily eliminated in the 1st round and then lost the 2nd best defender of all time while making no major splashes in the FA market is better than pretty much the exact same lineup that won the Stanley Cup. The Kings then outshoot Detroit 47-31 on the road. Are you really and idiot or do you just purposely say idiotic things. 1 dobbles reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) If 45 saves on 47 shots in one game is average, there are no elite goalies. Howie is great and getting better every game. Joey Mac stopped all 42 shots he faced against us a few yrs ago. Musta been super elite Edited February 11, 2013 by Johnz96 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted February 11, 2013 Howard was painfully average today. Did you see those average saves he made? All 45 of them. 2 hardcoretom21 and cr00d reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted February 11, 2013 The expectations here are just ridiculous Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) Ya the team that was easily eliminated in the 1st round and then lost the 2nd best defender of all time while making no major splashes in the FA market is better than pretty much the exact same lineup that won the Stanley Cup. The Kings then outshoot Detroit 47-31 on the road. Are you really and idiot or do you just purposely say idiotic things. That exact same lineup that won a Cup led by Quick's Conn Smythe performance is 2nd last in the conference right now and finished last year behind the Wings. Stanley Cup winners aren't always the ones with the best lineup there are a lot of other factors like luck, injuries, confidence, momentum, officiating... Edited February 11, 2013 by Johnz96 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted February 11, 2013 Joey Mac stopped all 42 shots he faced against us a few yrs ago. Musta been super elite See the difference is, aside from last year JMac never had a good year playing goalie. Howard has had 3 good years, and the circumstances under which he backstopped the isles and made 42 saves was completely different. You're not factoring in fatique from playing 20 hours before, a shortened season in which you play on average every other day, and jimmy has started all but 1 game. He just came off a 9 month break and didn't have his timing back yet for his first 5 or 6 starts... so many variables, but your right, comparing MacDonald (who was jimmys backup) and Jimmy is such a good idea Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted February 11, 2013 See the difference is, aside from last year JMac never had a good year playing goalie. Howard has had 3 good years, and the circumstances under which he backstopped the isles and made 42 saves was completely different. You're not factoring in fatique from playing 20 hours before, a shortened season in which you play on average every other day, and jimmy has started all but 1 game. He just came off a 9 month break and didn't have his timing back yet for his first 5 or 6 starts... so many variables, but your right, comparing MacDonald (who was jimmys backup) and Jimmy is such a good idea I'm not comparing the 2, there is no comparison, just remarking about the comments stating he must be elite because he stopped 45 of 47 shots today. I think Howard is one of the better goalies in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cupforwings 138 Report post Posted February 11, 2013 Ya the team that was easily eliminated in the 1st round and then lost the 2nd best defender of all time while making no major splashes in the FA market, except the addition of Damien Brunner and Jordin Tootoo, is better than pretty much the exact same lineup that won the Stanley Cup and finished with a worse regular season record than the wings last year before getting hot at the right time, like all Cup champs. The Kings then outshoot Detroit 47-31 on the road, but shots on goal don't equate to wins, where as goals, which the wings had more of today, do equate to wins. Am I really and idiot or do I just purposely say idiotic things. Fixed for you. 1 shoobiedoobin reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoalieManPat 1,007 Report post Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) Fixed for you. Take the red tinted glasses off. No defenseman in history did what Bobby Orr did. Hes easily #1. #2 aint bad for Lidstrom. And you consider Damian Brunner and Tootoo as "big splashes" hmmm. Theyve been good signings but far from big splashes. So winning a Cup has nothing to do with how good a squad is its all about getting hot. Right. Guess that 02 Wings team just got hot. The Kings were the better team today and save for the 1st period it wasn't even close. They just ran into a hot goalie. Something which we Wings fans know something about. Its 6-2 atleast without Howard. Edited February 11, 2013 by GoalieManPat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilzyme 769 Report post Posted February 11, 2013 Take the red tinted glasses off. No defenseman in history did what Bobby Orr did. Hes easily #1. #2 aint bad for Lidstrom. And you consider Damian Brunner and Tootoo as "big splashes" hmmm. Theyve been good signings but far from big splashes. So winning a Cup has nothing to do with how good a squad is its all about getting hot. Right. Guess that 02 Wings team just got hot. The Kings were the better team today and save for the 1st period it wasn't even close. They just ran into a hot goalie. Something which we Wings fans know something about. Its 6-2 atleast without Howard. I'm sorry, and I haven't read the most of this thread since I last posted, but to compare the 02 team to anything to this generation and salary cap is absolutely historical. The 02 team didn't just get hot, they were dominate, they were it. Nowdays with cap space you aren't going to have an all-star lineup as 02 wings once did, it's impossible unless you have superstars willing to pull hometown discounts. Please don't compare those two together, because it's seriously an absolutely joke within generations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted February 11, 2013 Take the red tinted glasses off. No defenseman in history did what Bobby Orr did. Hes easily #1. #2 aint bad for Lidstrom. And you consider Damian Brunner and Tootoo as "big splashes" hmmm. Theyve been good signings but far from big splashes. So winning a Cup has nothing to do with how good a squad is its all about getting hot. Right. Guess that 02 Wings team just got hot. The Kings were the better team today and save for the 1st period it wasn't even close. They just ran into a hot goalie. Something which we Wings fans know something about. Its 6-2 atleast without Howard. I agree with you about Orr. So far Brunner has been a big splash on a 40 goal pace over an 80 game season and is still learning the NA game. 6-2 atleast without Howard? What if it was Joey Mac playing as hot as he did on the night he shut out the Wings with 42 saves? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted February 11, 2013 I agree with you about Orr. So far Brunner has been a big splash on a 40 goal pace over an 80 game season and is still learning the NA game. 6-2 atleast without Howard? What if it was Joey Mac playing as hot as he did on the night he shut out the Wings with 42 saves? yes, what if joey mac played and played as well as that one game he played.... the difference is, howie is solid night in and night out. yeah, he has a bad game here and there but there have been a lot of nights where jimmy was the reason we were in the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) 55 Report post Posted February 11, 2013 How is this thread still in existence? The same people who bow at the alter of Osgood are calling Jimmy average. Talk about a catch-22. Had we jimmy Howard on those 90s wings teams, I feel like Scotty would have had to start putting rings on his toes. 1 Euro_Twins reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingsRox 614 Report post Posted February 11, 2013 I like Jimmy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted February 11, 2013 How is this thread still in existence? The same people who bow at the alter of Osgood are calling Jimmy average. Talk about a catch-22. Had we jimmy Howard on those 90s wings teams, I feel like Scotty would have had to start putting rings on his toes. Ozzie>Howard, Ozzie>Manny(by a long shot) I think Mraz is going to prove he is better then all of them 1 Xitium reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
