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#481 kylee

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:52 PM

Now it's Howard's chance to steal us a game in Vancouver or against LA at home.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:24 PM

I love how a lot of you blame Jimmy but we ain't scoring goals either.  Where's our Homer when you need one.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:28 PM

make all the excuses you want, but the new 5.3 million dollar man just tossed detroit's playoffs hopes out the window last night.

 

it's over.

 

thanks a lot, jimmy.

 

 

Howard got his big contract and he contributed with two goals...............................too bad they were into his own net.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:55 PM

first one was Ericsson's fault

 

and the offense was to blame, so many chances and empty nets missed because the offense is inept, pathetic that NHL players can't lift a puck off the ice

From the bench?  :P

 

That was Kindl and Kronner out there for the first one.  I'm guessing you're thinking of Kindl for not tying up his man's stick.

 

EDIT:  Just realized you're talking about Jimmy's two goals.  I'd say they both were to blame.  Sloppy by Ericsson, total lack of awareness from Jimmy.  The last one was all Jimmy.

 

make all the excuses you want, but the new 5.3 million dollar man just tossed detroit's playoffs hopes out the window last night.

 

it's over.

 

thanks a lot, jimmy.

No excuses.  But there's plenty of blame to go around if they don't make the playoffs other than those goals last night.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:39 PM

I don't blame Howard, maybe he lost his vision again....thank can happen when you're embarrassed 



I don't blame Howard, maybe he lost his vision again....that can happen when you're embarrassed 



I don't blame Howard, maybe he lost his vision again....that can happen when you're embarrassed 



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:56 PM

Howard got his big contract and he contributed with two goals...............................too bad they were into his own net.


This happens so often when a player signs a bit contract. The player usually tries so hard to validate his worth, that he actually defeats himself. This is what happened to Howard.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:59 PM

This happens so often when a player signs a bit contract. The player usually tries so hard to validate his worth, that he actually defeats himself. This is what happened to Howard.

He sure as hell didn't look like he was trying to validate his worth on that third goal.  He didn't make the slightest effort to get back in the net.  Again, I like Howard, but that was pathetic.


Edited by Zetts, 18 April 2013 - 08:59 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:03 PM

He sure as hell didn't look like he was trying to validate his worth on that third goal.  He didn't make the slightest effort to get back in the net.  Again, I like Howard, but that was pathetic.


One bad game in 20. Let it go.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:10 PM

One bad game in 20. Let it go.

I'm not worried about a bad game.  Nor do I deny that he's the reason we're competing the playoffs.  Completely giving up in the way and in the circumstances that he did (the circumstances of the play, the point in the game and the point in the season) is inexcusable.

 

Screwing up is human.  Not giving a crap is pathetic.  Especially when you were just signed to a contract worth how many million?

 

If you're not sure what I'm talking about, check out 2:45 of this video.

 

Note the COMPLETE lack of effort.

 

Further, and I don't know how I missed this before, you're the one that started this thread titled "Howard = Average" and when I criticize him for one ridiculous play, you're saying that I should let it go?!


Edited by Zetts, 18 April 2013 - 09:21 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:20 PM

I'm not worried about a bad game.  Nor do I deny that he's the reason we're competing the playoffs.  Completely giving up in the way and in the circumstances that he did (the circumstances of the play, the point in the game and the point in the season) is inexcusable.

 

Screwing up is human.  Not giving a crap is pathetic.  Especially when you were just signed to a contract worth how many million?

 

If you're not sure what I'm talking about, check out 2:45 of this video.

 

Note the COMPLETE lack of effort.

 

Further, and I don't know how I missed this before, you're the one that started this thread titled "Howard = Average" and you're saying that when I criticize him for one ridiculous play, I should let it go?!

That's misplaying the puck.  that isn't "not giving a crap."

 

 

And yes, Axe has flipped positions before in order to continue an argument.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:23 PM

That's misplaying the puck.  that isn't "not giving a crap."

 

 

And yes, Axe has flipped positions before in order to continue an argument.

He's not even halfway back from the boards to the goal line when the puck is in the net.  That's not giving a crap.  I could move faster than that.

 

Edit:  I counted.  He bothered to take 1 single step.


Edited by Zetts, 18 April 2013 - 09:24 PM.


#492 Larryd

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:34 PM

I don't blame Howard, maybe he had vision loss again. It usually happens when you  are embarrassed.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:15 PM

That's misplaying the puck.  that isn't "not giving a crap."
 
 
And yes, Axe has flipped positions before in order to continue an argument.


Look, man. I give Howard credit when he deserves it. I would have let him go if I were the GM. But Howard is the 2nd or 3rd to LAST guy I'm gonna blame for our troubles. Holland and Babcock are the first 2 I'm going to blame. Cleary, Abdelkader, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson can't help it that they can't score. Holland can help it that he continues to field teams consisting of these guys.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:46 PM

Howard has his strengths and weaknesses, stickhandling and for that matter skating are some of his weaknesses and they were on display last night.


Get me a real fourth line Kenny!

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:52 PM

Look, man. I give Howard credit when he deserves it. I would have let him go if I were the GM. But Howard is the 2nd or 3rd to LAST guy I'm gonna blame for our troubles. Holland and Babcock are the first 2 I'm going to blame. Cleary, Abdelkader, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson can't help it that they can't score. Holland can help it that he continues to field teams consisting of these guys.


This seems like a really random time to bring up Tuzzi's lack of scoring. Maybe you didn't notice that he's been out with an injury?

 
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:05 PM

I agree I was pissed at his lack of effort , hell push the net off take the penalty shot its better then an empty net. We saw Dom misplay tons of pucks, dive back ,lay his stick on the line and make the save. You wanna get paid like the big boy play like the big boys. I'm a Howard supporter but this play was inexcusable.


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Edited by saven, 19 April 2013 - 01:08 PM.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:21 PM

This seems like a really random time to bring up Tuzzi's lack of scoring. Maybe you didn't notice that he's been out with an injury?


Again, you're not grasping the concept. The player is who he is. Asking Filppula to score 40 goals is dumb. Asking Bertuzzi to put up 50 pts is dumb. I try not to blame the players. Babcock constantly playing crappy guys with Datsyuk. Holland constantly signing crappy guys for Babcock's roster. That's where I place the blame. We struck out on Praise and Semin. Wondering why we keep losing 2-1 is assinine now. That being said, the lockout gives Holland a chance to dump some dead weight (Bert and Sammy). And free agency allows him to dump more (flip, cleary, white, Brunner). Colo is the only guy left that needs to go after that. Let's see what Holland does.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:42 PM

Again, you're not grasping the concept. The player is who he is. Asking Filppula to score 40 goals is dumb. Asking Bertuzzi to put up 50 pts is dumb. I try not to blame the players. Babcock constantly playing crappy guys with Datsyuk. Holland constantly signing crappy guys for Babcock's roster. That's where I place the blame. We struck out on Praise and Semin. Wondering why we keep losing 2-1 is assinine now. That being said, the lockout gives Holland a chance to dump some dead weight (Bert and Sammy). And free agency allows him to dump more (flip, cleary, white, Brunner). Colo is the only guy left that needs to go after that. Let's see what Holland does.

Leaving us with:

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Franzen

Tootoo - Helm - Abdelkader

Tatar - Anderson - Nyquist

Miller (if he's re-signed) - Emmerton - Eaves

 

Inspiring. 

 

I agree that we need big changes this offseason.  But people expecting a massive overhaul in which we ditch every single one of those players will be sorely disappointed.  It's just not feasible to make all of those changes in one off-season and do them WELL.


Edited by Zetts, 19 April 2013 - 01:47 PM.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:53 PM

One bad move doesn't make a quality goalie into a mediocre specimen. And though Howard did indeed make no effort to get back into position, this was because he had not the faintest chance of catching Begin. I do agree that he should have at least put forth the pretense of an effort.



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:55 PM

One bad move doesn't make a quality goalie into a mediocre specimen. And though Howard did indeed make no effort to get back into position, this was because he had not the faintest chance of catching Begin. I do agree that he should have at least put forth the pretense of an effort.

Given that I've been the most vocal about my distain for that play, I'll assume this is largely directed at me.

 

And I completely agree - this is no way makes him mediocre as a goalie.  He's still our MVP of the season in my eyes.







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