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#541 matt198913

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:12 PM

Outstanding goalie this year...
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#542 DeGraa55

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:23 PM

Outstanding goalie this year...



Ya you're right. Better stats that his career averages and he lost lids and Stuart. He mustve always just been average.


Why is this thread still open? Seriously it was just a troll posting this. Anyone can think Howard us average but stats prove you're wrong!

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:32 PM

Ya you're right. Better stats that his career averages and he lost lids and Stuart. He mustve always just been average.


Why is this thread still open? Seriously it was just a troll posting this. Anyone can think Howard us average but stats prove you're wrong!


At the time it started, the stats weren't that great.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:53 PM

You mean the game in Calgary with 2 fluke shots ? or the game on march 31 against chicago where he got pulled? Or maybe the game against Minnesota on March 20th where he let in 4 goals on 19 shots? Is that your description him "standing on his head for the past 30 games?"

 

Now, don't think I'm a Howard hater. I love Jimmy, but I'm more realistic about things than some of extreme fanatics out there. By no means was Howard the ONLY guy and the ONLY reason the red wings made it. Trust me I recognize the fact that Howard did an ELITE job this past week and a GREAT job the past month. Not an elite job, a great job in the past month. Someone pointed out a fact on the other thread that the Wings were 18-0-2 when they scored 3/4 or more goals. Where do those stats come from? Obviously the offense right? It's silly to keep acting like Howard carried the team when the contributions were from everyone stepping up. If Howard really did "carry" the team. He will get the Vezina. If he doesn't, none of the fanatics are right. My money's on Sergei Bobrovsky because he actually DID carry the team with a subpar roster and literally no superstar on that team.

 

Given that he is the NHL's statistical leader over the past two months, I'd say that he has indeed done an ELITE job during that span.



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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:03 PM

Howard has been unreal for us of late.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:01 PM

At the time it started, the stats weren't that great.

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Overreact less then? There's more than 2 games in a season.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:10 PM

Cute....

 

...at the time, Jimmy was playing pretty average.  His rebound control was horrible and still is a little suspect.  That, if anything, is the one thing that will hurt him.  Cannot deny that as the season progressed so did Jimmy and in the end he was a HUGE part of the reason we made it to the playoffs.

 

He needs to play this way a ton now in order to justify his contract. Hope he is up to the task..so far he has done a great job, I hope he keeps it going. But ya, when the thread started he was playing pretty average...no need for personal attacks by calling someone a troll.



 

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:40 PM

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Overreact less then? There's more than 2 games in a season.


This is a discussion forum. You understand the concept of discussion, right? If you want to start a forum called "Indisputable Facts", be my guest. I will even post first:

The only NHL team Steve Yzerman ever played for is the Detroit Red Wings.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:50 PM

This is a discussion forum. You understand the concept of discussion, right? If you want to start a forum called "Indisputable Facts", be my guest. I will even post first:
The only NHL team Steve Yzerman ever played for is the Detroit Red Wings.
Can you feel your excitement level rising now?




True but he is average.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:55 PM

True but he is average.


He's shown otherwise lately. Let's see how he holds up when it counts!!!

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 10:45 PM

 

Given that he is the NHL's statistical leader over the past two months, I'd say that he has indeed done an ELITE job during that span.

Stats don't matter when you get pulled, scored on 4 times on 19 shots, and put it in your own net 2 times in one game. Stats do matter when you do none of that , which he did exactly last week. Last week he didn't mess up and played like he's a future hall of famer.

 

ELITE status doesn't comprise putting puck into your own net and getting pulled.


Edited by kickazz, 29 April 2013 - 10:47 PM.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 11:08 PM

He's shown otherwise lately. Let's see how he holds up when it counts!!!

 

I would find it even a little refreshing if you would just admit that you jumped the gun and you made a mistake instead of saying "well, we will see how he does now".


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 11:19 PM

Stats don't matter when you get pulled, scored on 4 times on 19 shots, and put it in your own net 2 times in one game. Stats do matter when you do none of that , which he did exactly last week. Last week he didn't mess up and played like he's a future hall of famer.

 

ELITE status doesn't comprise putting puck into your own net and getting pulled.

what i don't get, while we rip into howard, is that the elites do the same darn thing. Bad games. Get pulled. Turn overs that lead to goals. but for some reason we ignore that (as do all sport fans when they singling out a player...it's almost like selective hearing) and magnify howard's common goalie mistakes...just to justify an argument. or to justify why he's a lower tier. but if quick does it? he gets a pass. lundqvist? pass. rinne? pass. now schneider get's all over these passes (and he has made some boo-boo's this season too).

 

We call these inconsistencies with howard. the other goalies? they are mistakes. I keep reading them here, and over at HFboards....but the double standard doesn't add up/make sense. Does Howard have another set of rules? But what does make sense is the overall season, correct? Why do people judge a player on their mistakes, then call them average..., and these are few,, but in the same breath ignore the many, MANY, awesome feats them have pulled for the team this season? It's like..."you messed up once howard, you turned over the puck and those are  inconsistencies I do not tolerate!" " What? Other elite goalies do it too? Oh, those are just gaffs on their part..., you cannot be inconsistent!" 

 

Howard: ....... Save % .923 "Is that good enough" ..."No! You are average because of a few bad games, howard. Accept it!"

 

Blown out proportion? Yea...but it sure as hell seems that Howard has to play the puck like Brodeur, or better. Post .920+ every game. 10+SO. If the Wings cannot score more than 2 goals? Who cares...Howard better get us to the 3rd round or better or he's just  average at best...

 

i would only call one  goalie elite, and that's Lundqvist...and he's  even made the gaffs that Howard has over his career...many-a-times. Honestly? If we are sitting here tearing apart a goalie we got in howard...a .consistent .920+ goalie (one season aside)...we could always get bryz, as people still consider him a top 10 goalie and howard barely a top 20, sometimes he doesn't even crack top 25.



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Posted 29 April 2013 - 11:40 PM

Stats don't matter when you get pulled, scored on 4 times on 19 shots, and put it in your own net 2 times in one game. Stats do matter when you do none of that , which he did exactly last week. Last week he didn't mess up and played like he's a future hall of famer.
 
ELITE status doesn't comprise putting puck into your own net and getting pulled.

Rask, quick, Luongo, Schneider, lundqvist and price all had their fair share of bad games too.
Over the course of a full season, stats DO matter. It proves that he has had enough great games to make up for those bad games.
Nobody is arguing that he had no bad games this year, they are arguing that he has been WELL over average over the course of the whole year.
I'm one of the biggest Howard lovers out there, and I'll admit that he cannot be called "elite" yet, but I think will get there in the near future (starting with a Cinderella cup run maybe?) and I think he is well above average

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 11:50 PM

If you go over to the Anaheim board, they're all a little nervous about facing Howard, and give him the edge in the series.  In fact, there's a lot of pessimism over at the Duck HFboards.  They're fans and root for the Ducks of course, but I don't see any 4,5, or 6 game predictions in their favor over there.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:28 AM

Stats don't matter when you get pulled, scored on 4 times on 19 shots, and put it in your own net 2 times in one game. Stats do matter when you do none of that , which he did exactly last week. Last week he didn't mess up and played like he's a future hall of famer.

 

ELITE status doesn't comprise putting puck into your own net and getting pulled.

 

Believe it or not, even the best goalies on the planet have terrible games from time to time. I'll give you some examples from the past two months of other goalies:

 

Bobrovsky: five goals allowed on 24 shots on 3/28 vs Edmonton; four goals allowed on 11 shots on 3/23 against Nashville

Rask: five goals allowed on 28 shots on 3/27 vs Montreal; four goals allowed on 26 shots against on 3/3 vs Montreal and 3/5 vs Washington

Schneider: five goals allowed on 30 shots on 4/28 vs Dallas; four goals allowed on 26 shots on 4/13 vs Colorado

Lundquist: four goals allowed on 28 shots on 4/19 vs Buffalo and 4/8 vs Toronto

Niemi: four goals allowed on 18 shots on 3/16 vs L.A.; four goals allowed on 26 shots on 4/9 vs Columbus

 

And so on. Does this help to put things into perspective for you? Further, your implication that Howard put the puck into his own net twice vs Calgary is incorrect. The first goal was the fault of Ericsson and dumb luck, and the second was the product of a giveaway.


Edited by Crymson, 30 April 2013 - 01:38 AM.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 05:01 AM

Stats don't matter when you get pulled, scored on 4 times on 19 shots, and put it in your own net 2 times in one game. Stats do matter when you do none of that , which he did exactly last week. Last week he didn't mess up and played like he's a future hall of famer.

 

ELITE status doesn't comprise putting puck into your own net and getting pulled.

The greatest HoF goalies have had bad days and bad plays



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 05:18 AM

He's shown otherwise lately. Let's see how he holds up when it counts!!!

 

Its "counted" for the last two weeks and weve seen how strong he is. 



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:41 AM

 

 

ELITE status doesn't comprise putting puck into your own net and getting pulled.

 

 

Elite Goalies do make mistakes and they do cost their teams games, even playoff games:

http://blog.mlive.co...liberty_go.html

 

 

 

 

Sometimes it is a stupid play, sometimes it is trying to make a play they shouldn't, and sometimes it is Just being too arrogant:

 

Patrick Roy, Martin Broduer, even Terry Sawchuck have all been pulled over their career. Hell the time Roy should have been pulled in Montreal is the reason he wanted out of Montreal. He gave up 9 goals(to the Wings) and the team left him in. After finally being pulled he said I want the F**K out of here, in his own words of course.

 

The point: even elite goalies (Which Howard is not yet) give up bad goals and get pulled.

 

To quote Forrest Gump:

 

"It happens"

 

"What?, s***?"

 

"Yes"


Edited by Opie, 30 April 2013 - 07:43 AM.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:42 AM

The greatest HoF goalies have had bad days and bad plays

 

Then you have Broduer letting in a goal off a clearing attempt from the other side of the ice in game 6 of the cup finals in 2003.


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