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#661 nyqvististhefuture

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 05:08 PM

Mrazek's only 21. Gotta think Monster will have 2-4 more years here in the D, unless we end up going with Petr over Jimmy

2-4 years? Jesus ..... And mrazek is gonna spend 6 yrs in the ahl? I feel another prospect not being happy which I'd understand and then we trade him and lie ah la jarnkrok and say mrazek was nothing but a career backup coming if that's the case

If it's not monster I see another backup signing here for 1 year and then we bring down mrazek ...think he's 22 .... One more year in the ahl and then He backs up for a year and probably ends up playing 40 games cause howard will probably have yet again another injury and people will see his greatness

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 05:12 PM

He's not one of the elite guys but he isn't being paid like one either. Mrazek might eventually be better but for now there aren't many better options.

Pretty sure he's getting top 10 money



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 05:16 PM

Pretty sure he's getting top 10 money

He is, and I would take a handful of other goalies over him that are in his range.

 

1. Rinne, Pekka » G NAS 31 2012 2019 7 $7,000,000 2. Quick, Jonathan » G LAK 28 2013 2023 10 $7,000,000 3. Luongo, Roberto » G FLA 34 2010 2022 12 $6,714,000 4. Ward, Cam » G CAR 30 2010 2016 6 $6,600,000 5. Miller, Ryan » G STL 33 2009 2014 5 $6,250,000 6. Lehtonen, Kari » G DAL 30 2013 2018 5 $6,250,000 7. Rask, Tuukka » G BOS 26 2013 2021 8 $6,000,000 8. Fleury, Marc-Andre » G PIT 29 2008 2015 7 $5,750,000 9. Price, Carey » G MTL 26 2012 2018 6 $5,750,000 10. Howard, Jimmy » G DET 29 2013 2019 6 $5,500,000

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 05:29 PM

I think everyone knows Howard are playing well below where he should. What annoys me are the people that are saying trade him now, and play Gus/mrazek tandem. Like that actually is a possibility or a good idea for a tandem. Gus couldn't hold a starting role for a reason.

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 05:43 PM

Howard had the 12th highest cap hit. Halak, Crawford, Hiller, and Varlemov ate free agents this summer and may pass him.

Edited by DickieDunn, 09 March 2014 - 05:44 PM.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 09 March 2014 - 05:46 PM

Howard had the 12th highest cap hit. Halak, Crawford, Hiller, and Varlemov ate free agents this summer and may pass him.

 

I would take all them except Halak over Howard.



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 06:41 PM

Howard had the 12th highest cap hit. Halak, Crawford, Hiller, and Varlemov ate free agents this summer and may pass him.

Literally all of them have tremendous consistency issues. Halak could never hold down a starting job, he is always in some kind of time share. Crawford was so up and down that he was questioned heavily as a starting goaltender after his first great half season. Hiller had two awful seasons and lost his starting job to Fasth last year just to pick it back up again this season. 

 

This is the reality of goaltending. Miller has slumped for a couple months on end. Quick has done the same. Luongo had an terrible season and a half which sparked the controversy in Vancouver a couple years ago. Lundqvist had an brutal start to this season. 

 

No goalie has ever been great at all times, all season, every season. Every goalie listed above has had struggles ranging from weeks, to months, to extending beyond one season. It happens. Roy and Brodeur, the legends of the position, have had off months and a few bad seasons. 

 

This is a fact that must be accepted if you are a fan of hockey. It's not an excuse to protect Howard, but if we had Hiller, Halak, Varlamov, Crawford, any goalie mid to high range there will always be consistency issues and we'd have a thread just like this one about them also. Period. No goalie is 100% elite at all times, all season every season.


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Posted 09 March 2014 - 06:42 PM

Yah, 1st year after big contract phenomenon ... this year is a write off for Howie.  Average says it all.  He'll be back next year as elite ... if not, then we'll have to talk about trading him.  



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 06:48 PM

On that list where is king henrik? I'm thought he is paid more than Howard?

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 07:05 PM

On that list where is king henrik? I'm thought he is paid more than Howard?

 

He is paid more then Howard and rightfully so. That guy gets the job done on what have been some very average Rangers teams over the years. 



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 07:19 PM

There is a lot of cheese tied up in salary here paying goaltenders who can't do the job.


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Posted 09 March 2014 - 08:05 PM

i love how everyone attacks jimmy look at today it was 3-0 i didnt know goalies where suppose to score too its sad we get 7 goals with gus and none with jimmy 


try to get something by me i dare you

 

 

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 08:11 PM

Silliness.



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 08:25 PM

I'd take Hiller in a heartbeat! Just say no more to Gustavsson....his grrrrrroin is worse than Hasek's!


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Posted 09 March 2014 - 08:31 PM

start Mrazek on Tuesday.



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 08:32 PM

Wow.... "We didn't know Goalies were supposed to score goals..." so it can't be Howard's fault then!

 

WAIT! Stop Everything! Rewind to 2003 first round sweep by Anaheim.....

 

"It's Cujo's Fault!"  "Cujo sucked here" "Oh God, please not another Cujo experiment!"

 

...any of those quotes sound familiar?  Oh BTW, Fedorov was the leading scorer on the Wings that playoff with 3, yes T.H.R.E.E. points... You guys cannot have it both ways.  A lot of this season is the team's fault, but a majority of it is Howard's crap ass below average play.  He cannot control a rebound, gives up the VERY untimely goal and RARELY makes the timely save when it is needed! Oh, and lets not even talk about shootouts....BTW, Monster isn't much better...


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Posted 09 March 2014 - 08:37 PM

i love how everyone attacks jimmy look at today it was 3-0 i didnt know goalies where suppose to score too its sad we get 7 goals with gus and none with jimmy 

We're not attacking him over today's game. That would be stupid. We're attacking his overall numbers for the whole season. They aren't good.

 

I understand the want to look at each goal against individually and say "That one was tipped, not his fault." or "Not getting any help from the defense, not his fault." and in some instances that true, not all of the goals he gives up are his fault.

 

But at some point you have to look at his overall numbers and realized he's just not getting it done.

 

When he signed his new contract he was paid as a Top 10 NHL Goalie.  Most of his stats currently rank him in the 30-40s, not Top 10. The guys record is 13-25 (Don't be fooled by the W-L-OL stat. A win is a win and a loss is a loss!). THIRTEEN AND TWENTY-FIVE!!! That's not the kind of record and not the kind of stats you want out of your Top 10 Starting Goalie. If it was one or the other that was bad and the other was reasonable, that might be more acceptable, but as it currently stands its just not good enough. The Team is already struggling enough as it is, we don't need a shaky goalie w/ confidence issues added to it.


Edited by roboturner, 09 March 2014 - 08:44 PM.

This might be getting a little heated. Just know I don't hate any of you guys.

 

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 08:30 PM

So..... cut/trade Howard and go forward with Gus-hurt again and mrasek-getting torched tonight. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGHHHTTTTTTT............

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 09:17 PM

So..... cut/trade Howard and go forward with Gus-hurt again and mrasek-getting torched tonight. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGHHHTTTTTTT............

 

Losing 4-1 isn't exactly torching.



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 09:33 PM

The sky is falling...

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