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#761 b.shanafan14

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 02:01 PM

Yup. And my opinion is that it's amusing that one day everyone wants Jimmy to play the puck, then when he does, everyone wants him to stop.

 

I think people just want Jimmy to learn how to play the puck well, which may be unfair/unrealistic. The problem with the play he made last game (besides the effectively changing the complexion of the game/series to that point) was that he could have done practically anything else with puck and had a better result. He panicked and played "hot potato" with his d-man's hip, so the puck ended up in his goal.

 

Not because he played the puck. Not because of a bad break. Because he panicked. I can't think of a worse thing for a goaltender to do on the big stage, especially when he isn't playing the greatest to begin with.



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Posted 22 April 2014 - 04:07 PM

 
I think people just want Jimmy to learn how to play the puck well, which may be unfair/unrealistic. The problem with the play he made last game (besides the effectively changing the complexion of the game/series to that point) was that he could have done practically anything else with puck and had a better result. He panicked and played "hot potato" with his d-man's hip, so the puck ended up in his goal.
 
Not because he played the puck. Not because of a bad break. Because he panicked. I can't think of a worse thing for a goaltender to do on the big stage, especially when he isn't playing the greatest to begin with.


I agree. I also don't think this is the right time for him to be "learning" to play the puck. I was talking about a lot of people saying he should, and saying stuff like Hasek did it, even though he wasn't good at it, so Jimmy should. I like the way he played it in game 1, not in game 2

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 04:33 PM

Yup. And my opinion is that it's amusing that one day everyone wants Jimmy to play the puck, then when he does, everyone wants him to stop.


Since you quoted me I might as well point out that I have never, ever called for Howard to play the puck in my entire life that I can remember.
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Posted 22 April 2014 - 06:58 PM

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 07:23 PM

I'm sorry but Howard is below average right now. He had that one hot game and then looks shaky - this guy can't build confidence. 


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Posted 22 April 2014 - 07:30 PM

Since you quoted me I might as well point out that I have never, ever called for Howard to play the puck in my entire life that I can remember.

This was my point. You took what 3 people said, compared it to what 3 different people said, and made a huge generalization about what an entire fanbase wants.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 05:17 PM

This was my point. You took what 3 people said, compared it to what 3 different people said, and made a huge generalization about what an entire fanbase wants.


No. I took what one person said, and what one other person said and used them as an example. You mean to tell me most of the fans weren't saying Howard needs to play the puck more, and then after two games of it changed their mind? Maybe I'm wrong, but I've seen a lot of people doing it.

I'm sorry but Howard is below average right now. He had that one hot game and then looks shaky - this guy can't build confidence. 


He's been the only somewhat bright spot against the best team in the league

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 10:37 AM

No. I took what one person said, and what one other person said and used them as an example. You mean to tell me most of the fans weren't saying Howard needs to play the puck more, and then after two games of it changed their mind? Maybe I'm wrong, but I've seen a lot of people doing it.

He's been the only somewhat bright spot against the best team in the league

Even worse if you only used one person from each position! Yes, I was saying he should play the puck more. It's my own opinion and only my own. Anybody else is free to have their own opinion about what he should do. It makes total sense that I was saying what I want when I'm not getting it, and they would say what they want when they're not getting it.

 

(By the way, I never ever imagined that Howie would, on a whim, decide to start playing the puck in between the last game of the reg. season (which he didn't play in) and the start of the most important games of the year. Although I DO appreciate the fact that he came around to what happens to be my position, THIS IS NOT THE BEST TIME FOR THIS HOWIE!!)

 

But yeah, I'm gonna say you're wrong here. Had you said "some of" or "a couple of people" I don't think I would have had a problem with what you said. But again, you made a huge generalization, saying "Wings fans" (implying all wings fans), Everybody (meaning everybody!), and Everybody (again!). You didn't stop to think that maybe different people have different ideas about how situations should be handled.

 

If you look back in the GDT to when that first goal was scored, you'd see that *some* people think he should improve his stick-handling so that kind of thing doesn't happen, while *a few others* think he shouldn't try to play the puck at all.

 

I don't know where people have gotten this notion that ALL fans must agree on every little thing. That's absurd.

I don't know why changing your mind (if anybody even did), after seeing the other side of the situation, would be such a bad thing.  It isn't.


Edited by roboturner, 24 April 2014 - 10:39 AM.

This might be getting a little heated. Just know I don't hate any of you guys.

 

That doesn't mean that I respect ideas & opinions. Some ideas & opinions are ridiculous.

 

In fact, if you confront my ideas & opinions, that will lead to a discussion. (We're on a discussion board after all. Don't forget that!)

 

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 11:16 AM

Even worse if you only used one person from each position! Yes, I was saying he should play the puck more. It's my own opinion and only my own. Anybody else is free to have their own opinion about what he should do. It makes total sense that I was saying what I want when I'm not getting it, and they would say what they want when they're not getting it.
 
(By the way, I never ever imagined that Howie would, on a whim, decide to start playing the puck in between the last game of the reg. season (which he didn't play in) and the start of the most important games of the year. Although I DO appreciate the fact that he came around to what happens to be my position, THIS IS NOT THE BEST TIME FOR THIS HOWIE!!)
 
But yeah, I'm gonna say you're wrong here. Had you said "some of" or "a couple of people" I don't think I would have had a problem with what you said. But again, you made a huge generalization, saying "Wings fans" (implying all wings fans), Everybody (meaning everybody!), and Everybody (again!). You didn't stop to think that maybe different people have different ideas about how situations should be handled.
 
If you look back in the GDT to when that first goal was scored, you'd see that *some* people think he should improve his stick-handling so that kind of thing doesn't happen, while *a few others* think he shouldn't try to play the puck at all.
 
I don't know where people have gotten this notion that ALL fans must agree on every little thing. That's absurd.
I don't know why changing your mind (if anybody even did), after seeing the other side of the situation, would be such a bad thing.  It isn't.


You're blowing a simple observation way out of proportion. If that's your opinion that's fine, I used opposite opinions as an example, but as I said I have seen many other people jump ship both ways when it doesn't work. I think he should play the puck more as well, if he feels comfortable, but not at the risk of turning it over in the playoffs

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 11:35 AM

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 12:09 PM

You're blowing a simple observation way out of proportion. If that's your opinion that's fine, I used opposite opinions as an example, but as I said I have seen many other people jump ship both ways when it doesn't work. I think he should play the puck more as well, if he feels comfortable, but not at the risk of turning it over in the playoffs

It was just too much of an oversimplification. Didn't mean to jump down your throat or anything.


This might be getting a little heated. Just know I don't hate any of you guys.

 

That doesn't mean that I respect ideas & opinions. Some ideas & opinions are ridiculous.

 

In fact, if you confront my ideas & opinions, that will lead to a discussion. (We're on a discussion board after all. Don't forget that!)

 

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 10:15 AM

PO numbers through last night, Howard is 4th in save % at .931 and 4th in GAA at 2.05. How do some of the "better" goalies rate? Lets look:

Miller .897 and 2.70

nemmi .884 and 3.74

price .916 2.28

Lundquist .923 and 2.08

 

Seems to me that "average" Howard out played all of those guys. Be very careful what you wish for in life......



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Posted 03 May 2014 - 11:05 AM

PO numbers through last night, Howard is 4th in save % at .931 and 4th in GAA at 2.05. How do some of the "better" goalies rate? Lets look:

Miller .897 and 2.70

nemmi .884 and 3.74

price .916 2.28

Lundquist .923 and 2.08

 

Seems to me that "average" Howard out played all of those guys. Be very careful what you wish for in life......

 

but miller is better and all those things...

 

stats prove otherwise

 

but... but.. miller is better and all those things



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Posted 03 May 2014 - 10:06 PM

No to mention all of those goalies play on better teams vs lesser competition.



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Posted 04 May 2014 - 01:08 PM

I wouldn't say Howie is average, but I definitely see a goalie controversy on the horizon. At no fault of Howard's, Mrazek is going to be pushing for the starting job in 2-3 seasons - next season if they don't re-sign Monster.



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Posted 04 May 2014 - 09:20 PM

in 2-3 years, sure. More talent the better. Mrasek still has one more year he can play and should, in GR. At tha point Howard is down to his final 4 years. At some point a transition could very well happen. GREAT! For us.



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 10:35 AM

Mrazek still has another year, and I think he should play down there... I just wonder about the back-up situation in Detroit. Gustavsson seems like he enjoys being in Detroit, but wants term. Whoever the Wings grab, it needs to be a one-year deal. Mrazek, Paterson and Coreau can work in GR - I'm not sure what they'll do with McCollum, but he was on an AHL deal, anyway. Weird idea, but if all else fails, maybe McCollum could back-up Howard for the season? I know it's an out-of-the-box idea, but he played well this season.

I don't think it would be the worst thing for Mrazek to back-up Howie and push him all year, but I can see the argument for development in the AHL.



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 03:31 PM

Mrazek still has another year, and I think he should play down there... I just wonder about the back-up situation in Detroit. Gustavsson seems like he enjoys being in Detroit, but wants term. Whoever the Wings grab, it needs to be a one-year deal. Mrazek, Paterson and Coreau can work in GR - I'm not sure what they'll do with McCollum, but he was on an AHL deal, anyway. Weird idea, but if all else fails, maybe McCollum could back-up Howard for the season? I know it's an out-of-the-box idea, but he played well this season.

I don't think it would be the worst thing for Mrazek to back-up Howie and push him all year, but I can see the argument for development in the AHL.



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 09:10 PM

BTW Howard's 5 on 5 PO save % was..... 952!!!!!!! that is freaking awesome. To bad he had the freaking flu.



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Posted 10 May 2014 - 08:03 PM

Two most hated athletes in Detroit are the Wings #1 goalie and Lions' starting QB.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!






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