Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted February 8, 2013 Well I guess we all know who's going to get a starring role in Coaches Corner on Saturday... Will it be manliness or toughness? Old time hockey, like Eddie Shore... Before the Wings play the Blues next Wednesday, Franzen should put on the foil cause we all know Backes is gonna hit him from behind and you can guarantee stick work from Perron. There is a personal bounty on Franzen's head. Free large loaded potato bites for the guy who really gives it to Franzen. None of this small curly fries hat trick business. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 8, 2013 Mostly i just started to drag the GDT off topic with my complaining about Mule's spear, so I figured I should start a thread. Seeing a replay, yes it was a hit from behind but he clearly survived. But Mule once again with the cheapshot. To me spearing is one of the dirtier plays in hockey. If someone on the blues had done this to the Wings, would it still be not that big of a deal? I'm guessing with the 5 minute PP and getting tossed for the game, he won't get a suspension, but given the NHL's track record who knows. The spear was unnecessary, but so were the hit by Perron and the ensuing theatrics. That said, the fact that you intensely dislike everything about Franzen isn't news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sibiriak 84 Report post Posted February 8, 2013 Franzen needs to be a man and go after him and drop the gloves. None of this childish spearing crap. But then again what do you expect from one of the softest "power forwards" to play. The guy is the king of the after whistle scrum. I never understood why in hockey some ways to hurt people are considered OK and honorable, but other ways are gutless and childish. If your leg or jaw is broken, what difference does it make wether that was the result of kneeing, boarding, a slush, a spear, or a punch? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted February 8, 2013 The spear was unnecessary, but so were the hit by Perron and the ensuing theatrics. That said, the fact that you intensely dislike everything about Franzen isn't news. First, the spear was not only unnecessary but a cheapshot well beyond the hit from behind, which was basically a stupid hockey play. If Franzen had a problem with it he could've very easily gotten in Perron's face. Instead his first reaction was to spear him, which is a gutless cheapshot. Second, I don't dislike everything about Franzen. Third, and for the thousandth time, keep your comments about the content of the post and not the person. If you want to discuss the spear, great. But snidely telling someone what they think isn't doing that. Bait me again and people will soon be wondering why you haven't posted here in such a long time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrimsonFlame 424 Report post Posted February 8, 2013 I never understood why in hockey some ways to hurt people are considered OK and honorable, but other ways are gutless and childish. If your leg or jaw is broken, what difference does it make wether that was the result of kneeing, boarding, a slush, a spear, or a punch? I think the difference stems from in a fight you're squaring up on a level playing field to defend yourself and hurt your opponent. You're also risking your own well being to do so. Spearing someone in the gut doesn't risk directly risk your well being. So it can be perceived as a cowardly move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,476 Report post Posted February 8, 2013 I think the difference stems from in a fight you're squaring up on a level playing field to defend yourself and hurt your opponent. You're also risking your own well being to do so. Spearing someone in the gut doesn't risk directly risk your well being. So it can be perceived as a cowardly move. And checking someone from behind while they battle for a puck is not cowardly? Explain how that would be risking his own well being please. 1 hillbillywingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted February 8, 2013 I think the difference stems from in a fight you're squaring up on a level playing field to defend yourself and hurt your opponent. You're also risking your own well being to do so. Spearing someone in the gut doesn't risk directly risk your well being. So it can be perceived as a cowardly move. What about boarding a guy who is clearly defenseless? Franzen didn't have a chance to defend himself, why should Perron? 3 Euro_Twins, hillbillywingsfan and Z Winged Dangler reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingsfan72 198 Report post Posted February 8, 2013 I think this might be photoshopped Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrimsonFlame 424 Report post Posted February 8, 2013 And checking someone from behind while they battle for a puck is not cowardly? Explain how that would be risking his own well being please. I'm referring to after the defenseless boarding, and why it's ok to fight someone but it's not ok to spear/slash/sucker punch them. I think this might be photoshopped Photoshop? Please. Real pros use MS Paint. 1 Nev reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,476 Report post Posted February 8, 2013 I'm referring to after the defenseless boarding, and why it's ok to fight someone but it's not ok to spear/slash/sucker punch them. Photoshop? Please. Real pros use MS Paint. And I am referring to the pre-spear, and why it's ok to check someone, but not from behind when they are defenseless. I agree spearing isn't something to be happy about, bon't don't try and say Perron didn't deserve after all the cheap shots he gave all night, he didn't deserve the honour of squaring up man to man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 8, 2013 Franzen could quite possibly be the worst fighter in the NHL, but if he went buckets and gloves off with Backes I'd lose my s***. Franzen has punked Backes a few times, hitting him or punching him and Backes lays on the ice looking for a call, it'd be pretty good to see em go. As far as the spear, it was pretty funny. Gutty and everything, but it's Franzen guys, the gloved punch king. As long as he isn't the one diving it's a win for Detroit. 1 esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrimsonFlame 424 Report post Posted February 8, 2013 And I am referring to the pre-spear, and why it's ok to check someone, but not from behind when they are defenseless. I agree spearing isn't something to be happy about, bon't don't try and say Perron didn't deserve after all the cheap shots he gave all night, he didn't deserve the honour of squaring up man to man No no I'm not saying he didn't' deserve. I was just commenting on why its believed that fighting is ok but spearing isn't. I don't really have an opinnion on it otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted February 8, 2013 I don't see anything wrong here... clean looking spear to me. 4 beachwing, F.Michael, Z Winged Dangler and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marty Barry 230 Report post Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) I really hope that Mule's reaction was born from his frustration with his own play this season and that the hit was just the catalyst that set him off. Maybe it will kick him in gear. History says no, but I can hope. Edited February 8, 2013 by Marty Barry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P. Marlowe 748 Report post Posted February 8, 2013 NHL doesn't suspend Franzén but instead chooses his hit from the previous Blues game as the number one hit of the week. 3 esteef, MidMichSteve and hillbillywingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted February 8, 2013 I really hope that Mule's reaction was born from his frustration with his own play this season and that the hit was just the catalyst that set him off. Maybe it will kick him in gear. History says no, but I can hope. Why would he be frustrated? He's played fine this year... 1 hooon reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted February 8, 2013 I really hope that Mule's reaction was born from his frustration with his own play this season and that the hit was just the catalyst that set him off. Maybe it will kick him in gear. History says no, but I can hope. To be honest, I'm not even sure what people are talking about in regards to Mule. I actually feel like he's been pretty solid. I could just be completely off here, but I feel like he's looking quicker than ever. He's nearly playing at a point-per-game pace, and isn't dogging it as much as I've seen in the past. We can all call the man a pansy all we want, but I think he's actually put up a good effort thus far. 1 hooon reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sibiriak 84 Report post Posted February 9, 2013 I think the difference stems from in a fight you're squaring up on a level playing field to defend yourself and hurt your opponent. You're also risking your own well being to do so. Spearing someone in the gut doesn't risk directly risk your well being. So it can be perceived as a cowardly move. Do you remember when Larionov slashed Lindros and broke(fractured) his leg in retaliation for some rough stuff? To me, that was a smart move, 5'10'' 170 Igor squaring up against Lindros wouldn't have been a fair, level field fight, it would have been suicidal stupidity. Yet you can't let goonery pass without response, either. If I'm in a bar fight, and there's a convenient stool to hand, I'm gonna use it and not worry about fighting fair. Fair fights are for suckers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted February 9, 2013 Do you remember when Larionov slashed Lindros and broke(fractured) his leg in retaliation for some rough stuff? To me, that was a smart move, 5'10'' 170 Igor squaring up against Lindros wouldn't have been a fair, level field fight, it would have been suicidal stupidity. Yet you can't let goonery pass without response, either. If I'm in a bar fight, and there's a convenient stool to hand, I'm gonna use it and not worry about fighting fair. Fair fights are for suckers. The difference is that Franzen is much bigger than Perron. But even so, I would've much rather he gave Perron a good two handed slash. It still wouldn't be a great reaction by Mule, but spearing is on another level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sibiriak 84 Report post Posted February 9, 2013 The difference is that Franzen is much bigger than Perron. But even so, I would've much rather he gave Perron a good two handed slash. It still wouldn't be a great reaction by Mule, but spearing is on another level. What is the difference between a spear and a slash? Both are wacking someone with a stick. In fencing, a thrust is usually preferred to a cut. They always say "a point beats the edge". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brandon27 111 Report post Posted February 9, 2013 Honestly, I dont have a problem with what Franzen did. That hit from behind by Perron is what doesn't belong in the game today. Its a blatant cheap shot hit from behind. It deserves retaliation. I guess where I have a problem with it, Franzen chose to spear him, probably just an instant reaction, but its just as dirty of a play... he should have just dropped the gloves and started swinging at Perron, regardless of whether Perron was willing to fight or not. Teach him a lesson... dont retaliate with an equally, or worse dirty play. Perron deserved some sort of payback though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Crazy 201 Report post Posted February 9, 2013 Franzen should have "taken a number" and got him back at another time. Instead he chose to spear him in the nuts which is a gutless play. If Backass would have done this to Z comments would be a lot different on here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 9, 2013 (edited) Franzen should have "taken a number" and got him back at another time. Instead he chose to spear him in the nuts which is a gutless play. If Backass would have done this to Z comments would be a lot different on here. Z would never have purposely boarded Backes like that and he certainly wouldn't have layed on the ice like a little b****. Nice try though. esteef Edited February 9, 2013 by esteef 1 beachwing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beachwing 426 Report post Posted February 9, 2013 And this is why I have no problem with a little goonery or cheaps*** by the Wings. The reason so many events like this happen is the Wings are looked at as soft and noone worries about being held accountable for slamming Z's head into the boards....so teams and players will continue to take liberties on Dats ans Z cuz.... They can! The Wings need to put on the foil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Crazy 201 Report post Posted February 9, 2013 Z would never have purposely boarded Backes like that and he certainly wouldn't have layed on the ice like a little b****. Nice try though. esteef I will give you that. Z does have far more class then both Backes and Mule. The point being made was if it had been any of the Wing's players being speared comments would be much different. Lets face it the hit from behind was not that bad either. Both Franzen and Parron looked like idiots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites