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#61 Detroit # 1 Fan

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:30 PM

Franzen could quite possibly be the worst fighter in the NHL, but if he went buckets and gloves off with Backes I'd lose my s***. Franzen has punked Backes a few times, hitting him or punching him and Backes lays on the ice looking for a call, it'd be pretty good to see em go.

 

As far as the spear, it was pretty funny. Gutty and everything, but it's Franzen guys, the gloved punch king. As long as he isn't the one diving it's a win for Detroit.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:36 PM

And I am referring to the pre-spear, and why it's ok to check someone, but not from behind when they are defenseless. I agree spearing isn't something to be happy about, bon't don't try and say Perron didn't deserve after all the cheap shots he gave all night, he didn't deserve the honour of squaring up man to man

No no I'm not saying he didn't' deserve.  I was just commenting on why its believed that fighting is ok but spearing isn't.  I don't really have an opinnion on it otherwise. 



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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:50 PM

Wasn't Chelios known for pretty much exactly this type of stick work?

And back when Cheli was a Blackhawk - he had this "tuff guy - bad ass" reputation amongst it's fan base...Yeah - he beat up on guys like Fedorov, Propp, and Robitaille...But when he squared off against a guy like Gallant - he got his ass kicked.



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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:54 PM

I don't see anything wrong here... clean looking spear to me. 



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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:06 PM

I really hope that Mule's reaction was born from his frustration with his own play this season and that the hit was just the catalyst that set him off.  Maybe it will kick him in gear.  History says no, but I can hope.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 06:04 PM

NHL doesn't suspend Franzén but instead chooses his hit from the previous Blues game as the number one hit of the week.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 06:10 PM

I really hope that Mule's reaction was born from his frustration with his own play this season and that the hit was just the catalyst that set him off.  Maybe it will kick him in gear.  History says no, but I can hope.

 

Why would he be frustrated? He's played fine this year...



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Posted 08 February 2013 - 06:16 PM

I really hope that Mule's reaction was born from his frustration with his own play this season and that the hit was just the catalyst that set him off.  Maybe it will kick him in gear.  History says no, but I can hope.

 

To be honest, I'm not even sure what people are talking about in regards to Mule. I actually feel like he's been pretty solid. I could just be completely off here, but I feel like he's looking quicker than ever. He's nearly playing at a point-per-game pace, and isn't dogging it as much as I've seen in the past. We can all call the man a pansy all we want, but I think he's actually put up a good effort thus far.



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Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:32 PM

I think the difference stems from in a fight you're squaring up on a level playing field to defend yourself and hurt your opponent.  You're also risking your own well being to do so.  Spearing someone in the gut doesn't risk directly risk your well being.  So it can be perceived as a cowardly move. 

Do you remember when Larionov slashed Lindros and broke(fractured) his leg in retaliation for some rough stuff?

To me, that was a smart move, 5'10''  170 Igor squaring up against Lindros wouldn't have been a fair, level field fight, it would have been suicidal stupidity. Yet you can't let goonery pass without response, either.

If I'm in a bar fight, and there's a convenient stool to hand, I'm gonna use it and not worry about fighting fair. Fair fights are for suckers.



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Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:36 PM

Do you remember when Larionov slashed Lindros and broke(fractured) his leg in retaliation for some rough stuff?

To me, that was a smart move, 5'10''  170 Igor squaring up against Lindros wouldn't have been a fair, level field fight, it would have been suicidal stupidity. Yet you can't let goonery pass without response, either.

If I'm in a bar fight, and there's a convenient stool to hand, I'm gonna use it and not worry about fighting fair. Fair fights are for suckers.

The difference is that Franzen is much bigger than Perron.  But even so, I would've much rather he gave Perron a good two handed slash.  

 

It still wouldn't be a great reaction by Mule, but spearing is on another level. 



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Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:03 PM

The difference is that Franzen is much bigger than Perron.  But even so, I would've much rather he gave Perron a good two handed slash.  

 

It still wouldn't be a great reaction by Mule, but spearing is on another level. 

What is the difference between a spear and a slash? Both are wacking someone with a stick. In fencing, a thrust is usually preferred to a cut. They always say "a point beats the edge". :)



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Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:28 PM

Honestly, I dont have a problem with what Franzen did.   That hit from behind by Perron is what doesn't belong in the game today.  Its a blatant cheap shot hit from behind.  It deserves retaliation.  I guess where I have a problem with it, Franzen chose to spear him, probably just an instant reaction, but its just as dirty of a play...  he should have just dropped the gloves and started swinging at Perron, regardless of whether Perron was willing to fight or not.  Teach him a lesson... dont retaliate with an equally, or worse dirty play.   Perron deserved some sort of payback though.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:11 AM

Franzen should have "taken a number" and got him back at another time. Instead he chose to spear him in the nuts which is a gutless play. If Backass would have done this to Z comments would be a lot different on here. 



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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:24 AM

Franzen should have "taken a number" and got him back at another time. Instead he chose to spear him in the nuts which is a gutless play. If Backass would have done this to Z comments would be a lot different on here. 

 

Z would never have purposely boarded Backes like that and he certainly wouldn't have layed on the ice like a little b****.  Nice try though.

 

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:37 AM

And this is why I have no problem with a little goonery or cheaps*** by the Wings. The reason so many events like this happen is the Wings are looked at as soft and noone worries about being held accountable for slamming Z's head into the boards....so teams and players will continue to take liberties on Dats ans Z cuz.... They can! The Wings need to put on the foil.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:39 AM

Z would never have purposely boarded Backes like that and he certainly wouldn't have layed on the ice like a little b****.  Nice try though.

 

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I will give you that. Z does have far more class then both Backes and Mule. The point being made was if it had been any of the Wing's players being speared comments would be much different. Lets face it the hit from behind was not that bad either. Both Franzen and Parron looked like idiots.



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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:43 PM

What is the difference between a spear and a slash? Both are wacking someone with a stick. In fencing, a thrust is usually preferred to a cut. They always say "a point beats the edge". :)

 

Honestly I realize it may not make much sense, but a spear is much dirtier of a play to me.  Probably because it's more likely to result in injury.  Slashes can definitely do serious damage too, but a lot of times you're catching the guy on the pads.  

 

The league seems to view it that way as well, because even the intent to spear can be called for a penalty.  



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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:09 PM

Honestly I realize it may not make much sense, but a spear is much dirtier of a play to me.  Probably because it's more likely to result in injury.  Slashes can definitely do serious damage too, but a lot of times you're catching the guy on the pads.  

 

The league seems to view it that way as well, because even the intent to spear can be called for a penalty.  

Some players are allowed to slash at will with impunity. Even breaking both wrists of the opponents best player.



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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:10 PM


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:18 PM

That pic is hysterical, ive never seen that one!!





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