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#21 matt198913

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:20 AM

White had several bad moments tonight. I'm not sure who was worse Quincey or White. The worst thing he did was nearly get E killed by 2 blues instead of just passing it up the boards


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#22 The Axe

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:32 AM

White is slow and gets pushed around. He should not bw re-signed.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:38 AM

No kidding. Kronwall, Quincey & Lashoff were just as bad, if not worse than White tonight..

 

Leave Lashoff out of this, he has been solid since being called up from the minors, let's give him a chance, 1 bad game is nothing to cry over. Quincey however has had maybe 1 good game since joining the roster, White was good last year and has been decent so far, but he's a third pairing guy. Kronwall hasn't been able to find his edge so far, he is trying to do too much, but I am not worried about him, he has been progressing, and will return to old form soon enough. Kindl, we should worry about though, him and Quincey have no place on our roster anymore



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 03:16 AM

You guys should take a look at the stat sheet sometime.

 

Quincey leads the team in blocked shots, and since the first 3 games of the season has been +10. Overall he is top 20 among all defence in the NHL in +/- and he leads our entire team in the stat.

 

Kronwall has amazingly managed to be on the ice for more goals against than anyone on the team not just at even strength but also while shorthanded and while on the PP.

 

He may have the most points of our defenceman but he's also one of only 2 defenceman on the roster who are - players, the other being Lashoff. 

 

Even in tonights game he was directly responsible for 2 goals, including the overtime goal. If anything White should be getting more ice-time, his pairing with Ericsson tonight was by far the best tandem on the ice


Edited by FlashyG, 14 February 2013 - 03:16 AM.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:13 AM

There's a reason several teams have passed on him like a joint.  

 

woah, the real question here is who passes up a joint?


Edited by SFwingsfan, 14 February 2013 - 09:14 AM.


#26 shoobiedoobin

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:23 AM

woah, the real question here is who passes up a joint?

I was gonna say that lol. You pass a joint, you don't pass ON a joint. 



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:53 AM

You guys should take a look at the stat sheet sometime.

 

Quincey leads the team in blocked shots, and since the first 3 games of the season has been +10. Overall he is top 20 among all defence in the NHL in +/- and he leads our entire team in the stat.

 

Kronwall has amazingly managed to be on the ice for more goals against than anyone on the team not just at even strength but also while shorthanded and while on the PP.

 

He may have the most points of our defenceman but he's also one of only 2 defenceman on the roster who are - players, the other being Lashoff. 

 

Even in tonights game he was directly responsible for 2 goals, including the overtime goal. If anything White should be getting more ice-time, his pairing with Ericsson tonight was by far the best tandem on the ice

 

take your head out from the statsheet and watch the game, stats wre not everything, Quincey is garbage



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:56 AM

I would say it's time to sit Quincey, he has been terrible.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:38 AM

Yeah ok, with 2 defenseman injured, let's sit White.

 

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:45 AM

You guys should take a look at the stat sheet sometime.
 
Quincey leads the team in blocked shots, and since the first 3 games of the season has been +10. Overall he is top 20 among all defence in the NHL in +/- and he leads our entire team in the stat.
 
Kronwall has amazingly managed to be on the ice for more goals against than anyone on the team not just at even strength but also while shorthanded and while on the PP.
 
He may have the most points of our defenceman but he's also one of only 2 defenceman on the roster who are - players, the other being Lashoff. 
 
Even in tonights game he was directly responsible for 2 goals, including the overtime goal. If anything White should be getting more ice-time, his pairing with Ericsson tonight was by far the best tandem on the ice


Yes. You speak the truth. Quincey is paying for his first 2 or 3 games still. He got off to a rough start, but has been solid since. Kindl is coming around as well. Funny how everyone watches the same game, but sees something different.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:13 PM

Kronwall should be the one that is taken to task for his crappy play. He stood and watched two goals go in and cost his team the game. Watch the replay of the shorthanded goal and the last one in ot both times he didn't pick up his man he just stood there. Don't even get me started about him moving the puck out of his zone on the power play. He passes into traffic or into skates. He needs a wake up call because he is not looking like a top d-man this year. 



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:02 PM

I was gonna say that lol. You pass a joint, you don't pass ON a joint. 

 

That's what I meant.  You guys.........


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:09 PM

You guys should take a look at the stat sheet sometime.
 
Quincey leads the team in blocked shots, and since the first 3 games of the season has been +10. Overall he is top 20 among all defence in the NHL in +/- and he leads our entire team in the stat.
 
Kronwall has amazingly managed to be on the ice for more goals against than anyone on the team not just at even strength but also while shorthanded and while on the PP.
 
He may have the most points of our defenceman but he's also one of only 2 defenceman on the roster who are - players, the other being Lashoff. 
 
Even in tonights game he was directly responsible for 2 goals, including the overtime goal. If anything White should be getting more ice-time, his pairing with Ericsson tonight was by far the best tandem on the ice


Your facts are meaningless around here. People still want to ship E out of town for a bad season in 2010-2011.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:52 PM

Kronwall should be the one that is taken to task for his crappy play. He stood and watched two goals go in and cost his team the game. Watch the replay of the shorthanded goal and the last one in ot both times he didn't pick up his man he just stood there. Don't even get me started about him moving the puck out of his zone on the power play. He passes into traffic or into skates. He needs a wake up call because he is not looking like a top d-man this year. 

 

couldnt even believe his play on the shorty. always defend the damn pass dude. if he woulda blocked berglunds shot lane, never woulda been a goal as oshie was too busy falling flat on his face.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:59 PM

Your facts are meaningless around here. People still want to ship E out of town for a bad season in 2010-2011.

 

Stats only show so much, Ericsson has been solid since the last half of the 2011/2012 season. Kronwall is putting up points, but defensively he has not been good. Quincey, is well Quincey, you can say he's been better and more solid all you want, he is still a hazard on this team and he has not played very well. It's pretty sad when people are saying Kindl is doing well... Lashoff has been solid, Smith and Colo were solid before being injured. Huskins has been our most consistent dman by far and he is the one being scratched. Stats only show so much. Huskins, Ericsson, Lashoff, Smith and Colo should definitely be the majority of our d-corps when they are all healthy, but it won't happen by a long shot



couldnt even believe his play on the shorty. always defend the damn pass dude. if he woulda blocked berglunds shot lane, never woulda been a goal as oshie was too busy falling flat on his face.

 

Ya, I watched it like 4 times, thinking wtf?!? :confused1:  He didn't block thee passing lane, he left Berglund wide open, he wasn't covering anything, kind of just floating. He definitely left howie out to dry



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:08 PM

 
Stats only show so much, Ericsson has been solid since the last half of the 2011/2012 season. Kronwall is putting up points, but defensively he has not been good. Quincey, is well Quincey, you can say he's been better and more solid all you want, he is still a hazard on this team and he has not played very well. It's pretty sad when people are saying Kindl is doing well... Lashoff has been solid, Smith and Colo were solid before being injured. Huskins has been our most consistent dman by far and he is the one being scratched. Stats only show so much. Huskins, Ericsson, Lashoff, Smith and Colo should definitely be the majority of our d-corps when they are all healthy, but it won't happen by a long shot

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Yeah, you're right. I'm not enamored with Q by any means, he has been a liability. I think a lot of it has to do with him trying to pinch in too much. But, he is not scared to block shots. I like that. If Q could just play more conservatively he would be a solid bottom pairing guy. Either way, when smith and colo come back I see no place for q. Say what you want about kindl, he's no downgrade from Q and he's WAY cheaper.

Edit: I just saw q's cap hit. 3.7?!?! I take back anything good I said about him.

Edited by The Greek, 14 February 2013 - 02:11 PM.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:14 PM

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Yeah, you're right. I'm not enamored with Q by any means, he has been a liability. I think a lot of it has to do with him trying to pinch in too much. But, he is not scared to block shots. I like that. If Q could just play more conservatively he would be a solid bottom pairing guy. Either way, when smith and colo come back I see no place for q. Say what you want about kindl, he's no downgrade from Q and he's WAY cheaper.

Edit: I just saw q's cap hit. 3.7?!?! I take back anything good I said about him.

 

LMAO ya his cap hit is ridiculous, and I agree with you on Kindl being better than Q, and much cheaper. I was so pissed that holland signed Q to 3.7/year. He hasn't shown anything nearly worth 3.7. Blocking shots is really the only good thing he has done so far



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:16 PM

couldnt even believe his play on the shorty. always defend the damn pass dude. if he woulda blocked berglunds shot lane, never woulda been a goal as oshie was too busy falling flat on his face.

If we're passing blame, look at Brunner first. He completely goofed on the play at the blue line. I'll give him some slack he's not a defenseman and it's his first year but regardless that's what started the play. Fast forward to the 2 on 1, which really became a 2 on 2 when Abby got back and took the puck carrier. Kronwall's job was man to man on the guy without the puck. He took him. That went to pot fast when Abby got deked out of his skates. As soon as that happened it became a very condensed 2 on 1 with the puck carrer getting a clear lane to the net. Granted he falls but there's a split second after he dekes Abby and before he falls where he's on his feet and has a clear lane to the deadliest area of the slot. Kronwall had to abandon the pass to keep him from getting the shot off. If it were more of an angle I'd say take the pass but it was dead on, almost automatic goal territory. Kronwall prioritized pretty well, he was just screwed.

 

Look how far out Howard was, that a simple pass from the center to the faceoff dot leading to a slow one timer beat him. He had to be far out because of the chance that was forming after Abby fell.

 

In the end I'm glad he was the only one responsible enough to do his job. Brunner started it and Abby sent it off the rails. Kronwall ended up looking horrible for it.


Edited by shoobiedoobin, 14 February 2013 - 02:17 PM.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:38 PM

Kronwall and Quincey have been a complete disaster only because they have the ability to play much better. Kronwall is the most disappointing player this year. Even when the team is playing great he is still awful.

How many times on the penalty kill has a pass gone cross seam right between his legs. Or when the wings rush down the ice and pass to him as the trailer where he can walk right in and he fumbles the whole play. Offensively he gets in the right spots but that is honestly the only positive thing he has been doing all season. Kronwall needs to be called out. This kind of play is unacceptable when we had lidstrom and Rafalski and Stuart. He s*** the bed when the team needs him most. Maybe he can't handle pressure

If we're passing blame, look at Brunner first. He completely goofed on the play at the blue line. I'll give him some slack he's not a defenseman and it's his first year but regardless that's what started the play. Fast forward to the 2 on 1, which really became a 2 on 2 when Abby got back and took the puck carrier. Kronwall's job was man to man on the guy without the puck. He took him. That went to pot fast when Abby got deked out of his skates. As soon as that happened it became a very condensed 2 on 1 with the puck carrer getting a clear lane to the net. Granted he falls but there's a split second after he dekes Abby and before he falls where he's on his feet and has a clear lane to the deadliest area of the slot. Kronwall had to abandon the pass to keep him from getting the shot off. If it were more of an angle I'd say take the pass but it was dead on, almost automatic goal territory. Kronwall prioritized pretty well, he was just screwed.
 
Look how far out Howard was, that a simple pass from the center to the faceoff dot leading to a slow one timer beat him. He had to be far out because of the chance that was forming after Abby fell.
 
In the end I'm glad he was the only one responsible enough to do his job. Brunner started it and Abby sent it off the rails. Kronwall ended up looking horrible for it.


No shot is an automatic goal especially when Howard is out covering the angle. The one timer on a 2 on 1 is what the defenseman cover. Let your goalie make a save and jimmy was prepared for it. Sometimes the goalie gets beat but don't allow a tap in

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 03:02 PM

^That's a nice ideal but it's not what happened.







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