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#1 DetroitRedWings1993

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:56 AM

Just heard per The Fourth Period that Holland has been working the phones "for the past couple of weeks" looking for "some secondary scoring help and a top-tier shutdown defenseman".  I certainly agree with the first half, but the last part is only half of the defenseman we need.  We have enough guys who claim to be good defenders who either A) can't stay on the ice or B) just aren't as good as they should be.  That second half should go more like "a solid, top-pairing, two-way defenseman".  Too bad those are about as rare as unicorns these days.


Edited by DetroitRedWings1993, 19 February 2013 - 11:01 AM.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:38 AM

Here's a link to the article you're referring too.

 

http://www.thefourth.../det130216.html

 

There's also a more recent article on Bouwmeester.

 

http://www.thefourth.../cgy130218.html

 

 

Feaster would be looking for a young replacement on the blueline and a top prospect as part of a package for Bouwmeester.

 

I say: Nyquist + Kindl + Quincey. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Calgary can eat 35% of J-Bow's deal under the new CBA. This would cut his Red Wing cap hit to  4.2M or so.

 

Bouwmeester - Kronwall

Ericsson - Smith

White - Huskins

Cola/Lashoff

 

Looks OK, but if Calgary are serious about trading this guy, I'm sure Holmgren or Sather would over-pay, out-bidding Holland.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:52 AM

Here's a link to the article you're referring too.

 

http://www.thefourth.../det130216.html

 

There's also a more recent article on Bouwmeester.

 

http://www.thefourth.../cgy130218.html

 

 

 

I say: Nyquist + Kindl + Quincey. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Calgary can eat 35% of J-Bow's deal under the new CBA. This would cut his Red Wing cap hit to  4.2M or so.

 

Bouwmeester - Kronwall

Ericsson - Smith

White - Huskins

Cola/Lashoff

 

Looks OK, but if Calgary are serious about trading this guy, I'm sure Holmgren or Sather would over-pay, out-bidding Holland.

There is a reason Bouwmeester's teams have never made the playoffs with him on the team but have before he came there (Calgary) or after (Florida). He is a great skater, with good hands and reach who is soft and error prone. He is not an upgrade to what we already have and his contract would be an impediment for future moves.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:55 AM

There is a reason Bouwmeester's teams have never made the playoffs with him on the team but have before he came there (Calgary) or after (Florida). He is a great skater, with good hands and reach who is soft and error prone. He is not an upgrade to what we already have and his contract would be an impediment for future moves.

 

Like I said, Calgary can pay 35% of his cap hit under the new CBA. I think J-Bow is worth 4.2M.

 

He is most definately an upgrade to what we already have. Plus, he knows how to stay healthy.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:18 PM

Like I said, Calgary can pay 35% of his cap hit under the new CBA. I think J-Bow is worth 4.2M.

 

He is most definately an upgrade to what we already have. Plus, he knows how to stay healthy.

Yeah by avoiding contact



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:31 PM

"Looks OK, but if Calgary are serious about trading this guy, I'm sure Holmgren or Sather would over-pay, out-bidding Holland."

 

Good point.  If there's a player to be had at all, Holmgren and Sather will jump in and offer the sun, moon and stars for him.  That's the only problem. Seems like the only players the Wings could use or are rumored to go after are targets for GM's like Holmgren and Sather who will pay any price, no matter how ridiculous.  A young defenseman and a top prospect is steep for an underperforming, irresponsible defenseman in the twilight of his career with a sickening cap hit.

 

"Like I said, Calgary can pay 35% of his cap hit under the new CBA. I think J-Bow is worth 4.2M."

 

Yeah, but would they?  We can't just force them to pay that much of his salary.  Bouwmeester is being shopped for two reasons, based on the asking price I've heard.  One, they want to get younger and stockpile young talent and prospects for the future.  Two, his production does not coincinde with his cap hit.  They probably won't want to continue paying that large a chunk of his salary, if any at all.


Edited by DetroitRedWings1993, 19 February 2013 - 12:36 PM.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:42 PM

good to hear he is on the phones - you know, that being his job and all.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:50 PM

"Looks OK, but if Calgary are serious about trading this guy, I'm sure Holmgren or Sather would over-pay, out-bidding Holland."

 

Good point.  If there's a player to be had at all, Holmgren and Sather will jump in and offer the sun, moon and stars for him.  That's the only problem. Seems like the only players the Wings could use or are rumored to go after are targets for GM's like Holmgren and Sather who will pay any price, no matter how ridiculous.  A young defenseman and a top prospect is steep for an underperforming, irresponsible defenseman in the twilight of his career with a sickening cap hit.

 

"Like I said, Calgary can pay 35% of his cap hit under the new CBA. I think J-Bow is worth 4.2M."

 

Yeah, but would they?  We can't just force them to pay that much of his salary.  Bouwmeester is being shopped for two reasons, based on the asking price I've heard.  One, they want to get younger and stockpile young talent and prospects for the future.  Two, his production does not coincinde with his cap hit.  They probably won't want to continue paying that large a chunk of his salary, if any at all.

 

He's only 29.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:51 PM

I think the reason he is looking for big shutdown type dmen, is because that is probably what is going to become available as we get closer to the deadline. There are a handful of veteran dmen like that are slated to become UFA's this summer. A couple that I know of are Scott Hannan and Robyn Regehr.

 

I doubt Holland is looking for the type of deals that will cost him decent prospects or good roster players.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:53 PM

Yeah by avoiding contact

 

Kind of like Lidstrom.

 

I'm not a massive J-Bow fan, but if he could be had for Nyquist+Kindl+etc, then I think you'd have to make the deal.

 

Boumeester's > Quincey or Kindl or Lashoff or Huskins or White or Cola and is on par with Kronwall.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:57 PM

For all that are wondering, teams can retain upto 50% of a player being traded's salary.

 

http://cdn.agilitycm...rms-1-10-13.pdf

 

I think the biggest red flag for the Red Wings acquiring Bouwmeester would be his salary. For not exactly being a top pair dman, $6.8mil is a huge cap hit. Plus I doubt Holland would want to give up what feaster wants.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:58 PM

He's only 29.

Granted, but I just feel like he's started declining already.  However, you bring up a very interesting point.  At 29, he's not in the "slow decline" stage just yet.  He should be entering his prime.  He might just be the perfect "change-of-scenery" type of player.  He's looked lightyears better under Hartley than he ever did under Sutter.  He's a guy who can be a solid top-line, two-way D-man who logs a lot of minutes and stays consistently healthy.  If he can continue improving, he might just be the guy.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:09 PM

For all that are wondering, teams can retain upto 50% of a player being traded's salary.

 

http://cdn.agilitycm...rms-1-10-13.pdf

 

I think the biggest red flag for the Red Wings acquiring Bouwmeester would be his salary. For not exactly being a top pair dman, $6.8mil is a huge cap hit. Plus I doubt Holland would want to give up what feaster wants.

 

Agreed. Also, as I said earlier, someone like Holmgren would.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:12 PM

So what former RW's is Holland looking to bring back? That is the MO right?......LOL

 

I hope he starts the slow rebuild of the team, and doesn't take the band aid we just need a key vet here and there approach. We need more than that.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:30 PM

So what former RW's is Holland looking to bring back? That is the MO right?......LOL

 

I hope he starts the slow rebuild of the team, and doesn't take the band aid we just need a key vet here and there approach. We need more than that.

 

A "rebuild" is highly doubtful. Holland isn't going to gut the team for the sake of making trades.

 

A "re-tool" is more like it. Tatar, Andersson and Lashoff will all probably get spots on the main roster next season. He'll probably also add a couple of UFA's this summer as well.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:33 PM

A "rebuild" is highly doubtful. Holland isn't going to gut the team for the sake of making trades.

 

A "re-tool" is more like it. Tatar, Andersson and Lashoff will all probably get spots on the main roster next season. He'll probably also add a couple of UFA's this summer as well.

That is a good way to win 30 games per season. Oh wait, the season is 82 games long.......



So is it Fleischman? Kopecsky? Who else have we traded away over the last decade and are still playing in the league?



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:52 PM

That is a good way to win 30 games per season. Oh wait, the season is 82 games long.......



So is it Fleischman? Kopecsky? Who else have we traded away over the last decade and are still playing in the league?

I'm merely being realistic. I've seen the NHL13 fueled posts that you make around here, and it seems as though you may be new to this whole "Red Wings" thing... Even when things get rough, Holland has never resorted to huge shake up trades or "rebuilds" over his 15+ years as the Red Wings GM. I doubt he is going to start now, when the Red Wings are still well into the playoff race.

 

Funny, because after the 05/06 season when they lost Yzerman and Shanahan, people were making the same kind of posts about "rebuilds". Holland made barely any moves (none to replace Yzerman and Shanahan) that summer, and the team went to game 6 in the WCF the following season.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

Bouwmeester would be more likely to make our defence worse than he would make it better. He would help the PP though.

 

We need someone who can cover for Kronwall's lack of defence and Bouwmeester isn't that guy, He's too much like Kronwall and would only increase our need for defensive minded D.

 

That is a good way to win 30 games per season. Oh wait, the season is 82 games long.......



So is it Fleischman? Kopecsky? Who else have we traded away over the last decade and are still playing in the league?

 

What makes you think you'd be better at managing an NHL roster than our current management?



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

I'm merely being realistic. I've seen the NHL13 fueled posts that you make around here, and it seems as though you may be new to this whole "Red Wings" thing... Even when things get rough, Holland has never resorted to huge shake up trades or "rebuilds" over his 15+ years as the Red Wings GM. I doubt he is going to start now, when the Red Wings are still well into the playoff race.

 

Funny, because after the 05/06 season when they lost Yzerman and Shanahan, people were making the same kind of posts about "rebuilds". Holland made barely any moves (none to replace Yzerman and Shanahan) that summer, and the team went to game 6 in the WCF the following season.

Holland has never done a full rebuild, because he ahs never had to. we do now. When the captain and shanny left, we were still a loaded team. Which he did go out a couple of years later and added Hossa, rafalski etc too. Now wea re not a loaded team and we are tied by the cap.

As for new, LOL! I have been a RW fan longer than most on thsi forum have been alive.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:15 PM

Holland has never done a full rebuild, because he ahs never had to. we do now. When the captain and shanny left, we were still a loaded team. Which he did go out a couple of years later and added Hossa, rafalski etc too. Now wea re not a loaded team and we are tied by the cap.

As for new, LOL! I have been a RW fan longer than most on thsi forum have been alive.

 

The team wasn't exactly loaded up front, a lot of players ended up stepping up to fill the void.

 

Rafalski and Hossa were added by that "key vet here and there approach" that you lamented earlier.

 

How is this team not loaded? They have plenty of depth, which has kept them afloat as injuries have piled up. They also have a lot of good young talent that is showing that they are ready to make a contribution as well. There is absolutely no reason for a "rebuild".

 

I apologize if you are a long time fan. No offense, it just doesn't seem like it....



What makes you think you'd be better at managing an NHL roster than our current management?

 

Probably NHL13.







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