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#21 beachwing

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 09:55 AM

Anyone watching The Wings this season referring to Tootoo simply as goon is laughable.

Runs around hitting everything in sight
Draws penalties
Pain in the ass to play against
Creates scoring chances every shift
Ignites crowd and teammates
Goes 100% every second of every shift
Cant finish consistently
Loves the game

Who am I describing above, Tootoo or Helm!!!!!

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 09:59 AM

So I disagree with your "Creates scoring chances every shift" but other than that you just describe a 4th line grinder. Which is what I expected of him, and until Helm can actually put the puck in the net with any form of consistency he is the same.


Bigger question, what is your point?


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 09:59 AM

If anything, we need more guys like Tootoo. It's not like the Red Wings are overwhelming teams with skill these days.
 
 
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:01 AM

Who said that, who on here has said that their expectations of him were to score like Dats or Brunner??

 

Please quote that person so we can all laugh at their stupidity for expecting Tootoo to be Dats or even Marty Lapointe for that matter.

 

Otherwise post that you are making s*** up!

 

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Second edit:

 

Ok so one post you tell us he is not a scorer and no one should expect that from him, and then in another you want him on the second line because of his wrister????????

 

 

WOW!

so how would you want him to play opie? You Obviously want him to provide a ton more you said it your self with the semi sarcastic "The fact he provides very few other attributes is not a concern" post. What else would you want a player LIKE him to provide?

 

You need to chill dude. jesus. 



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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:02 AM

If anything, we need more guys like Tootoo. It's not like the Red Wings are overwhelming teams with skill these days.

 

AHH here is the real point, the team is at a crossroads, find a way to make a push for the post season (unlikely) or find a way to keep people in the seats.

 

Three things keep people in their seats, dazzling skill and offense (what the wings used to have), Winning (again, what the Wings used to have), or hard-nosed gritty hockey with some fisticuffs mixed in (what the Wings very rarely have).


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“Told him if he wasn't ultra-competitive he couldn't come here. If he didn't bring it every day he couldn't come here, because he was going to hate it if he didn't, dislike the coach and dislike playing here.
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#26 hillbillywingsfan

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:04 AM

AHH here is the real point, the team is at a crossroads, find a way to make a push for the post season (unlikely) or find a way to keep people in the seats.

 

Three things keep people in their seats, dazzling skill and offense (what the wings used to have), Winning (again, what the Wings used to have), or hard-nosed gritty hockey with some fisticuffs mixed in (what the Wings very rarely have).

You are all over the place...Do you like Tootoo or not? I don't understand.


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:07 AM

If anything, we need more guys like Tootoo. It's not like the Red Wings are overwhelming teams with skill these days.

Exactly.

 

Outside of Dats/Hank there's no legit "top line" skill; Flip is "decent"  2nd line material, and Brunner is still a "?"...Franzen is on the decline, and Helm is a solid 3rd line center.

 

Miller/Emmerton/Sammy/Bert/Cleary/Abby/etc/etc are all "odds & ends" plugging in holes.

 

I gotta be honest - this team is boring, and has been for some time...They're not a top team anymore, and they haven't been for a few seasons now...How in the world is having a few guys like Tootoo on the team such a bad thing?

 

I would love to see him get some 2nd line playing time, and some time on the pp; just might shock some fans as to what he could bring.



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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:15 AM

so how would you want him to play opie? You Obviously want him to provide a ton more you said it your self with the semi sarcastic "The fact he provides very few other attributes is not a concern" post. What else would you want a player LIKE him to provide?

 

You need to chill dude. jesus. 



do you need a hug opie?

 

Besides the fact you ignored what I said and asked, your whole "you need to chill dude" is deflecting, instead of answering my questions or points, you deflect back to me. 

 

What do I want from him, nothing more than what he is providing, I said that too, but because you think I hate the guy you are misreading my posts.

 

What I said my worry was is that he is starting to play a little too close to dirty for me. 

 

What if I told you not only do I not like the way Tootoo has played in the past with his antics that I also don't like the way Mule has played in the past with his antics?


Does that clear up my point?

 

Guys play a certain style, and to be successful you need a lot of styles on your team, I personally do not like dirty or lazy players and I especially hate divers, those are my Achilles heal, so to speak.

 

I also am not a huge fight guy, I think there are times where it is needed in a game or a playoff series, but most of the fights in today's NHL are (and I am over simplifying here a bit) "You're an enforcer, I am too, we are on the ice at the same time, lets fight".

 

I even went so far as to say (in the GDT) that he has far exceeded my expectations this year.

I think for the better part of the season he has been a ball of fire, but I WORRY that he is starting to fall back to old and IMO dirty habits. I think he was lucky to not get a penalty when he drew the interference, I actually think the Wings got away with one there.

 

I think he missed being the third man in by about .00000001 seconds, he dropped his gloves the same instant Dorsett and Ericcson did, IMO he was still third man in and he sucker punched Dorsett. 

 

 

 


 


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“Told him if he wasn't ultra-competitive he couldn't come here. If he didn't bring it every day he couldn't come here, because he was going to hate it if he didn't, dislike the coach and dislike playing here.
“It's real straightforward. If you don't do it right, you're not happy here." Babcock

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:18 AM

Ericcson didn't drop his gloves.  I'm not even sure he knew Dorsett dropped his yet.  E dropped one glove as a result of Toots jumping in.  I think Jordin knocked it off.  E didn't need to fight there, we need our D on the ice not the penalty box.  Dorsett is just pissed he got rocked by a guy half his size.


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:20 AM

You are all over the place...Do you like Tootoo or not? I don't understand.

Well seeing as I have said multiple times I am WORRIED THAT HIS PLAY IS GETTING DIRTY, I APPRECIATE WHAT HE IS BRINGING TO THE TABLE SO FAR.

 

And since the post you quoted was about the WIngs, NOT TOOTOO, I am not sure where you get any opinion on Tootoo from that quote???

 

I am all over the place???

Really, lets recap.

 

You bag people who think he should score more and be like Dats and Brunner (even though no one actually said that), then you post he should be on the second line?

 

Who is all over the place??

 

I don't dislike Tootoo, I don't even know him, I do have a distaste for his past playing style!


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"A wise man once told me, ‘Don’t argue with fools. Cause people from a distance can’t tell who is who'." Jay Z, Takeover

"When I was looking for a captain, I wanted a guy with the Red Wings crest tattooed on his chest," said former Detroit coach Jacques Demers, who named Yzerman captain in 1986. "Steve Yzerman was that guy."

“Told him if he wasn't ultra-competitive he couldn't come here. If he didn't bring it every day he couldn't come here, because he was going to hate it if he didn't, dislike the coach and dislike playing here.
“It's real straightforward. If you don't do it right, you're not happy here." Babcock

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:24 AM

I guess E lost both his gloves, but he wasn't ready to fight IMO.

 


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#32 hillbillywingsfan

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:25 AM

Wow people are really calling what tootoo did a sucker punch.......wow. Dorsett dropped his gloves so that tells me he was ready for a fight....E didn't drop his....Tootoo drops his gloves grabs Dorsett right in front of Dorsett's face and they both start going at it. So I'm not sure I see where some "sucker" punch is coming from. I think again Tootoo is getting a label because of past things. Like rrasco said Dorsett is just pissed he didn't get to fight someone obviously that doesn;t fight much and take out one of our D and he is pissed that lil ol tootoo was more than he could handle.

 

Per that video it looks to me they both started punching at the same time.


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:25 AM

[quote name="F.Michael" post="2359335" timestamp=
I gotta be honest - this team is boring, and has been for some time...They're not a top team anymore, and they haven't been for a few seasons now...How in the world is having a few guys like Tootoo on the team such a bad thing?
 
I would love to see him get some 2nd line playing time, and some time on the pp; just might shock some fans as to what he could bring.[/quote]

I agree,lots of grinder types never get the chance to play top line mins or with any of the skill. i understand their role and they fill it perfectly and honestly they probly dont have the hands and skill to play top line mins BUT you cant tell me Tootoo would have done any worse than cleary and abs tonight.....btw i think that line was our best tonight.

I could care less about fighting unless its to stick up for someone running a teammate and no doubt Toots will take 6-8 dumb penalties this year with his over aggressiveness BUT i rather have dumb penalites from over agressivmess and skating hard than dumb penalties from lazziness and not moving your feet!

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:30 AM

Well seeing as I have said multiple times I am WORRIED THAT HIS PLAY IS GETTING DIRTY, I APPRECIATE WHAT HE IS BRINGING TO THE TABLE SO FAR.

 

And since the post you quoted was about the WIngs, NOT TOOTOO, I am not sure where you get any opinion on Tootoo from that quote???

 

I am all over the place???

Really, lets recap.

 

You bag people who think he should score more and be like Dats and Brunner (even though no one actually said that), then you post he should be on the second line?

 

Who is all over the place??

 

I don't dislike Tootoo, I don't even know him, I do have a distaste for his past playing style!

Toots should get a shot at playing on the 2nd line since he does have more to offer - especially now when considering the injuries, and generally how piss-poor the Wings have been playing.

 

We're not gonna make the playoffs this year at the rate we're going - why not "mix it up" a little?

 

I've been a die-hard Red Wings fan since 1984; the Wings then - like they are now - don't have alot of high end skill, but back then they had that "edge" that we don't see with todays team...Toots adds a bit of that "edge" to this team, and I for one enjoy it.



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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:37 AM

I have never seen Tootoo play in a scoring role, and I agree with F.Michael here these are not the roll four lines and destroy you Wings anymore.

 

I am not a big fan of that move though because guys like Nyquist and Tatar should be on the 2nd line before a guy like Toots IMO.

 

But at this point in the season almost anything is worth a shot.


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“Told him if he wasn't ultra-competitive he couldn't come here. If he didn't bring it every day he couldn't come here, because he was going to hate it if he didn't, dislike the coach and dislike playing here.
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#36 hillbillywingsfan

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:59 AM

maybe dorsett is just pissed he has been getting tootoo'd for awhile now. hahahah

 


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:11 AM

Tootoo has been a good piece this year. He is NOT part of the problem.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:40 AM

if we were healthy right now nobody would even care that toots is fighting like that (everyone would think its great is what im trying to say). putting toots on the 2nd line might be a stretch right now, but you cant discount what hes doing out there.

E did look a little pissed he didnt get to go, but i 100% agree that E shouldnt be fighting right now anyway with risk of injury. We need him.

 

tootoo just looks like a serial killer


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:30 PM

Our power play failing to score when given the chance is not Tootoo's fault.  He's doing exactly what he was brought here to do. 

 

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:05 PM

Anyone who calls Tootoo "just a goon" either knows nothing about hockey, or hasn't watched any games this season. He can skate well, control the puck and creates chances here and there. Plus, this whole Dorsett deal is the first "questionable" thing that he has done this season. I'm actually glad he did it too. Ericsson has been probably the Red Wings best dman, no sense in him fighting and being off the ice for 5 minutes or worse, getting hurt.

 

Wrap your minds around this: The last time this team had players like Tootoo on it. They won a cup...







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