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[rrasco]

What are everyone's thoughts on this kneeing major?  I'm not really sure I like it being called a kneeing major, but that's because he didn't throw his leg out there like the typical kneeing calls you see (see: Laraque on Kronwall).  He kind of led with his knee, but I didn't see him throw it out there.  Looked like he was going for a hard body check.

 

 

[Opie]

Wow, that is a tough call.

 

You are right, not sure about the "throwing out the knee", He looked like a guy who doesn't hit a lot going for a neutral zone hip check and BADLY missed!

 

I think his reputation saves him from a suspension or from a lengthy one.

 

Plus it is hard to tell if he intended to do that.

[hillbillywingsfan]

Yeah it just looks to me like what Opie said. It was a guy that doesn't really know how to hit that went in trying to make a big hit. I really don't see a player like Hall throwing out his knee on purpose knowing that if he hits wrong it could put him out of the season and possibly more.

[Opie]

And Hillbilly here is the hard part if that were Matt Cooke I would be screaming for 20 games!!!!

 

Where does the benefit of the doubt stop?

 

Look at Pronger, that guy got the benefit of the doubt for years, and then all of the sudden his dirty play caught up with him and he was getting suspensions and fines galore!

 

I know this play is no Pronger style hit, or even a Cooke type hit, but if one of those guys does this 50% of people see it as dirty and 50% see it the same way as if it were Hall.

 

Does the league try to teach the youngster a lesson, or do they let him off this time?

[Ram]

Yeah it's really tough to tell. He could have completely laid him out but didn't do so. So to that point he kind of led with his knee/missed. I do imagine he will get a game or two though - game was basically over, something like that happens, think it's warranted.

[hillbillywingsfan]

And Hillbilly here is the hard part if that were Matt Cooke I would be screaming for 20 games!!!!

 

Where does the benefit of the doubt stop?

 

Look at Pronger, that guy got the benefit of the doubt for years, and then all of the sudden his dirty play caught up with him and he was getting suspensions and fines galore!

 

I know this play is no Pronger style hit, or even a Cooke type hit, but if one of those guys does this 50% of people see it as dirty and 50% see it the same way as if it were Hall.

 

Does the league try to teach the youngster a lesson, or do they let him off this time?

Well I think since it really doesn't look like he threw his knee out and you have to add the fact that he hasn't done anything like this before I don't really think he gets anything...If anything maybe 1 game just to smack him on the wrist. But who knows.

[rrasco]

What?  Cooke doesn't knee people.

 

(after the Laraque hit)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os7Gj683e7M
 

Edited by rrasco, 22 February 2013 - 11:00 AM.

[rick zombo]

You never wish an injury on another player (except maybe Matt Cooke).

 

All I have to say is this.

 

"Cal Cluuterbuck. Live by the sword, die by the sword."

[rrasco]

I guess the most surprising thing for me to see was that it was Taylor Hall.

[Shaman464]

Never liked Clutterbuck, but never wish that on anyone. Hall didn't look like he was trying to knee him, I think the major will stand as the only recourse.

[kylee]

Taylor Hall is known as a bit of a reckless player. Learn how to check you dolt before you tear someone's acl or mcl

[Pskov Wings Fan]

According to the rules just leading with the knee (which Hall did) is enough for it to be called "kneeing". Extending the leg out is not necessary. Some Oiler's fans called it a hip check. I do not see that. The only part of Clutterbuck Hall got was his leg.

 

 

Rule 50 - Kneeing

50.1 Kneeing - Kneeing is the act of a player leading with his
knee and in some cases extending his leg outwards to make contact with
his opponent.

 

 

Hall got phone hearing so 5 games is a max.

 

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=416585 - Fraser's opinion on the matter.

Edited by Pskov Wings Fan, 22 February 2013 - 01:07 PM.

[toby91_ca]

Looked more like hip to me, didn't deserve a kneeing major at all if you ask me.  However, I still think it might be a suspendable type hit because at no point was the player he hit in contact with the puck.

[rrasco]

Looked more like hip to me, didn't deserve a kneeing major at all if you ask me.  However, I still think it might be a suspendable type hit because at no point was the player he hit in contact with the puck.

 

I didn't notice whether Cal had the puck or not.  I'll have to watch it again later.

[esteef]

"Accident".

 

esteef

[The Axe]

Man,

 

I think this is an accident.  Taylor Hall was trying to hip check a guy who had just lost a bouncing puck.  I don't see any intent in this play to injure.  I just see Clutterbuck losing a bouncing puck that Hall thought he was going to possess and Hall finishing a hip check on what he thought was going to happen.  Unfortunate accident.  Taylor Hall needs to be held accountable because he did injure Clutterbuck, but the minimum should be given to him for this one.

[thegerkin]

It looks to me that a young player was going for a big shoulder hit and did it with TERRIBLE form. I don't see any intention.

[haroldsnepsts]

Two games.

 

 

Pierre LeBrun
‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Confirming 2 game suspension for Taylor Hall

 

 

Shanaban explanation:

 

http://video.nhl.com...6&cmpid=nhl-twt

[Pskov Wings Fan]

Two games.

 

 

Pierre LeBrun
‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Confirming 2 game suspension for Taylor Hall

 

 

Shanaban explanation:

 

http://video.nhl.com...6&cmpid=nhl-twt

 

The explanation sounds quite reasonable. Also the video has reply of this hit from few angles, which were not in the clips posted before. Looks like Hall drives his knee straight into Clutterbuck's thigh.

[MidMichSteve]

Sounds right to me. Even if it wasn't intentional, reckless behavior still has the same results. Lesson learned, move on.