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#21 DSM

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:32 AM

I wonder if Perry will even hit the market this summer? Anaheim has boatloads of capspace for next season and could probably afford to bring back both Getzlaf and Perry easily. Selanne too, if he doesn't retire.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:32 AM

Perry is #1 on.my list. He fills a big hole.

 

He's #1 or #2 on my list. Definitely fills big holes. Just have my doubts he comes here. Not saying Clarkson is signing here either. I'm too negative on big name players signing with us nowdays.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:36 AM

 
He's #1 or #2 on my list. Definitely fills big holes. Just have my doubts he comes here. Not saying Clarkson is signing here either. I'm too negative on big name players signing with us nowdays.


Yah, they will both be expensive. Not sure if we can get Perry for less than 8 mil. I think 7 years at 8 mil per is fair.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:40 AM

Yah, they will both be expensive. Not sure if we can get Perry for less than 8 mil. I think 7 years at 8 mil per is fair.

 

7-8 mil sounds fair. I would agree even though 6-7 somehow sounds better probably a pipedream though.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:56 AM

Clowe (on a shorter contract) and Clarkson are high on my list at forward, especially if the Wings do move to the east in the off-season. I think Flip will be re-signed, but only because the few options better than him will be overpriced and/or too much of a gamble.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:03 PM

7-8 mil sounds fair. I would agree even though 6-7 somehow sounds better probably a pipedream though.

 

That sounds about right. If Getzlaf and/or Perry hit the open market, they will be the only real top line forwards available. Elias is scheduled to be a UFA as well, but I doubt he will go anywhere other than back to New Jersey. That being said, I can see Perry and/or Getzlaf getting offers upwards of $8mil a season.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:16 PM

Brunner currently has more points and goals than Perry and would cost way less to re-sign than to bring in Perry.  Not saying I wouldn't like him here, but realistically I think Holland will re-sign Brunner, Flip and Howard and look for help on D if anyone is available.  Lots of veteran D-men available this summer (if they don't sign new contracts before then...) who would be an upgrade over Cola and Huskins. 


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:27 PM

Brunner currently has more points and goals than Perry and would cost way less to re-sign than to bring in Perry.  Not saying I wouldn't like him here, but realistically I think Holland will re-sign Brunner, Flip and Howard and look for help on D if anyone is available.  Lots of veteran D-men available this summer (if they don't sign new contracts before then...) who would be an upgrade over Cola and Huskins. 

 

I don't think they'll be looking to upgrade over Colaiacovo and Huskins. Colaiacovo is still under contract for next season and with everyone healthy Huskins is their #7 guy, which will probably be Lashoffs spot next season. If they bring in a UFA dman, it'll be because they let White walk.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:44 PM

Brunner currently has more points and goals than Perry and would cost way less to re-sign than to bring in Perry.  Not saying I wouldn't like him here, but realistically I think Holland will re-sign Brunner, Flip and Howard and look for help on D if anyone is available.  Lots of veteran D-men available this summer (if they don't sign new contracts before then...) who would be an upgrade over Cola and Huskins. 

 

Definitely the emergance of Brunner and Tatar has relieved the pressure of scoring a little bit.  I do think the priority is a TOP defender.  Either way, we have too many forwards and need to trim some fat.  Whether they make a deal at the deadline or just stand pat and cut ties come FA day, there needs to be some players trimmed in order to get these kids in here.

 

I am all for making a deal to get that top defender from someone. Most likely from a team with no playoff chance and right now it's hard to gauge those teams...I wouldn't mind getting a hold of Winnipeg and find out the availability of Bogosian or Byfuglien or Tyler Myers out of Buffalo.

 

We will never predict what Holland will do, only wish. If Holland signed Dekeyser before the playoffs and got rid of Quincey and Kindl over the summer, I would be very happy. If i had to keep one of those guys, it would be Kindl due to salary.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:47 PM

Rumors and speculation...don't know how legit:

 

"12. What a weekend for Detroit,
where the Red Wings totaled Nashville and Vancouver to the tune of 12-3.
A couple of opponents are eying UFA-to-be Valtteri Filppula, but Ken
Holland says they should be prepared to wait. "I'm still trying to find
out what we are," the GM said this weekend. "Look at our record in
one-goal games (.333 winning percentage, 26th in the NHL.) When we get
healthy, will we turn those losses into wins?"

13. For that
reason, Holland says he'll wait until very close to the trade deadline
to make any decisions on the team's direction. That includes Filppula,
one of several important choices the Red Wings will have to make. With
few scoring centres available in free agency, Filppula has some leverage
to ask for a lot. All Holland would say: "There is a gap in
negotiations." The one thing I'm always told about these things is that
it's a process. But if Filppula wants to stay, he's going to have to
find a number the Red Wings are comfortable with."

 

http://www.cbc.ca/sp...needs-work.html

 


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:47 PM

I don't think they'll be looking to upgrade over Colaiacovo and Huskins. Colaiacovo is still under contract for next season and with everyone healthy Huskins is their #7 guy, which will probably be Lashoffs spot next season. If they bring in a UFA dman, it'll be because they let White walk.

 

Agreed.....I think Ian White has had his run in Detroit. There just isn't enough spots anymore.  I do like the right handed shot, but in the end, you have to open spots up for the kids eventually.  I think Cola should be the #7 rotating with Lashoff.  I am holding out hope on Dekeyser to be here and then a Trade Deadline -or- UFA acquistion...

 

Kronwall - UFA/Trade

Smith - Ericsson

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:53 PM

Definitely the emergance of Brunner and Tatar has relieved the pressure of scoring a little bit.  I do think the priority is a TOP defender.  Either way, we have too many forwards and need to trim some fat.  Whether they make a deal at the deadline or just stand pat and cut ties come FA day, there needs to be some players trimmed in order to get these kids in here.

 

I am all for making a deal to get that top defender from someone. Most likely from a team with no playoff chance and right now it's hard to gauge those teams...I wouldn't mind getting a hold of Winnipeg and find out the availability of Bogosian or Byfuglien or Tyler Myers out of Buffalo.

 

We will never predict what Holland will do, only wish. If Holland signed Dekeyser before the playoffs and got rid of Quincey and Kindl over the summer, I would be very happy. If i had to keep one of those guys, it would be Kindl due to salary.

 

Bogosian and Byfuglien would cost the Wings significantly. Helm and Smith would have to be offered just for Winnipeg to consider moving one of them. Myers would be a risk at the moment. He's struggling in Buffalo this season, and has a $5.5mil cap hit till 18/19.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:54 PM

Rumors and speculation...don't know how legit:

 

"12. What a weekend for Detroit,
where the Red Wings totaled Nashville and Vancouver to the tune of 12-3.
A couple of opponents are eying UFA-to-be Valtteri Filppula, but Ken
Holland says they should be prepared to wait. "I'm still trying to find
out what we are," the GM said this weekend. "Look at our record in
one-goal games (.333 winning percentage, 26th in the NHL.) When we get
healthy, will we turn those losses into wins?"

13. For that
reason, Holland says he'll wait until very close to the trade deadline
to make any decisions on the team's direction. That includes Filppula,
one of several important choices the Red Wings will have to make. With
few scoring centres available in free agency, Filppula has some leverage
to ask for a lot. All Holland would say: "There is a gap in
negotiations." The one thing I'm always told about these things is that
it's a process. But if Filppula wants to stay, he's going to have to
find a number the Red Wings are comfortable with."

 

http://www.cbc.ca/sp...needs-work.html

 

All encouraging news!

 

1.  Because it's nice that teams have expressed interest in Filppula.  2. Filppula went to arbitration as an RFA before to get what he felt he was worth, it's not surprising that there is a "gap" between them.  With Hudler getting what, $4.5M? I can see Filppula getting $5M somewhere. To me, that is just too much here.  We already have 4 centers, 5 if you count Andersson and even though Fil's defense is nice, his presence on the wing can be replaced easily. 

 

I can hold out hope that Anaheim is indeed one of those team interested in Fil and could only dream that either Bobby Ryan or Corey Perry would be part of a package trade between the two....probably not, but I can hold out hope. Hell, maybe Fil will be shoppedf or that top defender.

 

I still stand by my statement that Fil, Franzine, Nyquist, Kindl & Quincey should all be considered as trade bait....whether or not we get a top defender in return is unknown...


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:57 PM

Agreed.....I think Ian White has had his run in Detroit. There just isn't enough spots anymore.  I do like the right handed shot, but in the end, you have to open spots up for the kids eventually.  I think Cola should be the #7 rotating with Lashoff.  I am holding out hope on Dekeyser to be here and then a Trade Deadline -or- UFA acquistion...

 

Kronwall - UFA/Trade

Smith - Ericsson

Dekeyser - Lashoff

Cola

 

What happened to Quincey and Kindl? Are they going to retire?



All encouraging news!

 

1.  Because it's nice that teams have expressed interest in Filppula.  2. Filppula went to arbitration as an RFA before to get what he felt he was worth, it's not surprising that there is a "gap" between them.  With Hudler getting what, $4.5M? I can see Filppula getting $5M somewhere. To me, that is just too much here.  We already have 4 centers, 5 if you count Andersson and even though Fil's defense is nice, his presence on the wing can be replaced easily. 

 

I can hold out hope that Anaheim is indeed one of those team interested in Fil and could only dream that either Bobby Ryan or Corey Perry would be part of a package trade between the two....probably not, but I can hold out hope. Hell, maybe Fil will be shoppedf or that top defender.

 

I still stand by my statement that Fil, Franzine, Nyquist, Kindl & Quincey should all be considered as trade bait....whether or not we get a top defender in return is unknown...

 

If Bob Murray traded Ryan or Perry and Filppula was coming back in the deal, he would get fired immediately.

 

And, no combination of the players you listed is going to bring a top defender.


Edited by DSM, 25 February 2013 - 01:03 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:03 PM

All encouraging news!

 

1.  Because it's nice that teams have expressed interest in Filppula.  2. Filppula went to arbitration as an RFA before to get what he felt he was worth, it's not surprising that there is a "gap" between them.  With Hudler getting what, $4.5M? I can see Filppula getting $5M somewhere. To me, that is just too much here.  We already have 4 centers, 5 if you count Andersson and even though Fil's defense is nice, his presence on the wing can be replaced easily. 

 

I can hold out hope that Anaheim is indeed one of those team interested in Fil and could only dream that either Bobby Ryan or Corey Perry would be part of a package trade between the two....probably not, but I can hold out hope. Hell, maybe Fil will be shoppedf or that top defender.

 

I still stand by my statement that Fil, Franzine, Nyquist, Kindl & Quincey should all be considered as trade bait....whether or not we get a top defender in return is unknown...

 

I was always of the opinion that I would like to see the Wings hang on to Flip, but with the way some of the GR kids have been playing I think I'm starting to realize that Flip is replaceable.  If he can net us something decent in a package with some picks/prospects, then I hope Kenny pulls the trigger on a trade rather than let him walk away for nothing come UFA time, especially if they truly are that far apart on the contract. 


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:06 PM

All encouraging news!

 

1.  Because it's nice that teams have expressed interest in Filppula.  2. Filppula went to arbitration as an RFA before to get what he felt he was worth, it's not surprising that there is a "gap" between them.  With Hudler getting what, $4.5M? I can see Filppula getting $5M somewhere. To me, that is just too much here.  We already have 4 centers, 5 if you count Andersson and even though Fil's defense is nice, his presence on the wing can be replaced easily. 

 

I can hold out hope that Anaheim is indeed one of those team interested in Fil and could only dream that either Bobby Ryan or Corey Perry would be part of a package trade between the two....probably not, but I can hold out hope. Hell, maybe Fil will be shoppedf or that top defender.

 

I still stand by my statement that Fil, Franzine, Nyquist, Kindl & Quincey should all be considered as trade bait....whether or not we get a top defender in return is unknown...

 

The problem is, it will be a contender looking to add Flip in hopes of putting themselves over-the-top.

I can't see anyone looking to go on a deep run parting with anything that's not draft picks or prospects.

Why would Anaheim try and strengthen their team with Filpulla and then trade away Perry? Same with any high-end D-Man. Makes no sense.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:10 PM

I was always of the opinion that I would like to see the Wings hang on to Flip, but with the way some of the GR kids have been playing I think I'm starting to realize that Flip is replaceable.  If he can net us something decent in a package with some picks/prospects, then I hope Kenny pulls the trigger on a trade rather than let him walk away for nothing come UFA time, especially if they truly are that far apart on the contract. 

I can only see two possibilities with Filppula, and they both depend on where the Red Wings are at come trade deadline time:

 

1. IF the Red Wings are in playoff position or are still in the race for a spot, they will keep him. Even if they are no closer in negotiations. They could try to move him, but no team is going to offer anything that would help the Red Wings down the stretch and into the playoffs in exchange because he is a UFA. He also has virtually ZERO value as part of a package deal either, because of his UFA status.

 

or

 

2. IF the Red Wings are well out of the playoff race, Holland will get offers from playoff bound teams to add Filppula as a rental piece. And no, top tier players or top tier prospects won't be coming back in exchange. Expect good draft picks and mediocre prospects to come back in some sort of package.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:21 PM

What happened to Quincey and Kindl? Are they going to retire?

 

Kindl is an RFA, I could care less what he does and Quincey can be dealt for a draft pick for all I care...too bad he won't get the 1st in return that Holland blew on him.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:22 PM

Other than the obvious guys like Perry, Getzlaf, Iginla, Backstrom, Selanne and Alfredsson....half of which may re-sign or retire, there's a decent amount of good complimentary players. Such as: Brendan Morrow, Mark Streit, Nathan Horton (one of my top choices), Rob Scuderi (really solid Dman), Douglas Murray, David Clarkson (i'm bigtime on this bandwagon), Ladislav Smid, Joe Corvo, Ryan Jones, Tyler Bozak, Blake Comeau, Brad Boyes, Viktor Stalberg. If even a handful of those guys are available, there's no reason at all to re-sign Cleary, Miller, and whoever fits that mold. Guys I really don't want to see are: Alexander Semin, Sergei Gonchar, Mike Riberio, Ron Hainsey, Pierre-Marc Bouchard, Nik Antropov, Ryane Clowe, Matt Cullen, Dustin Penner, Dainius Zubrus, Ian White, Danny Cleary, Adrian Aucoin, Matt Cooke, Raffi Torres, Alexei Ponikarovsky, Francis Bouillon, Alexi Kovalev, Maxim Lapierre and that's as far down the list as i'm going. I just hope Kenny lets some people walk and makes himself a list of guys he'd like to play here and sign only a few tops and for 2 years max unless obviously it's a Getzlaf/Perry type.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:24 PM

I can only see two possibilities with Filppula, and they both depend on where the Red Wings are at come trade deadline time:

 

1. IF the Red Wings are in playoff position or are still in the race for a spot, they will keep him. Even if they are no closer in negotiations. They could try to move him, but no team is going to offer anything that would help the Red Wings down the stretch and into the playoffs in exchange because he is a UFA. He also has virtually ZERO value as part of a package deal either, because of his UFA status.

 

or

 

2. IF the Red Wings are well out of the playoff race, Holland will get offers from playoff bound teams to add Filppula as a rental piece. And no, top tier players or top tier prospects won't be coming back in exchange. Expect good draft picks and mediocre prospects to come back in some sort of package.

 

Hell, with the deep draft this year, I will take a low 1st from a top team for Filppulla...or maybe a  2nd & 3rd. I am all for focusing on a top defender we need over a scorer.  I think our scoring will be fine once the D is taken care of.


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