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#541 Euro_Twins

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:00 PM

I started watching about half way through but what I noticed, and that many have not commented on this year is how bad the Wings are at the break out. Most of the first passes are in the feet or miss altogether. I saw repeated turnovers made between their own blue line and the Red line. While bad penalties are a part of the game, passing IS the game. If a NHL team cannot figure out how to pass the puck they are in more trouble then a few bad calls. From Kronwall on down the defense was awful.

 

You don't come around these boards much do you? Thats a main topic around here is the lazy passes and breakouts



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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:06 PM

 
I didn't see the game, but I had the same thought.  The Wings lost because they didn't score.  Even if the officiating was poor, LA only scored 2 goals which means we had the chance tp at least get to overtime.  1 goal almost never wins a game.

We would have won 1- or 2-0 if not for the last 5-on-3. It was a really solid road game, Kings didn't have many good chances all game. They got a lucky PP goal that deflated the Wings a bit. We could have scored more, and we almost did on our good PPs, and for example a post by Franzen, but with this kind of effort we will win a lot of games imo. Just bad luck mainly in terms of officiating led to this loss.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:06 PM

And what the hell was going on with the clearing attempts on those 5 on 3's.... Geeeeeeeesus!!!

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:28 PM

Both teams were sloppy last night. I don't see many good passes either way. No, you don't win when you score 1 G. No one is working the crease in front of the goalie. Abby tries, but he really isn't a power forward. At least he ahs the speed to keep up with datsyuk. Those 2 were waiting on Cleary all night long.



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Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:46 PM

Both teams were sloppy last night. I don't see many good passes either way. No, you don't win when you score 1 G. No one is working the crease in front of the goalie. Abby tries, but he really isn't a power forward. At least he ahs the speed to keep up with datsyuk. Those 2 were waiting on Cleary all night long.

 

I agree on both waiting on Cleary, but I think Abdelkader has been the more useless one. At least the last two games before last night Cleary was screening the goaltender pretty well. The only time I see Abdelkader go to the goal he is immediately knocked down. They are both garbage and don't belong anywhere near His Pashaness, but Cleary looks much worse while contributing slightly more. Either way, Abdelkader has 1 assist, and Cleary has 7 points playing 20 minutes a night with one of the best ever; pathetic failed experiment that won't end.



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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:18 PM

Very well put.  

 

I don't think Datsyuk's was legit as it didn't look like he used his hand, but the others were legit calls taken individually.  It's just the total lack of consistency throughout the game.  

 

And to think the refs are doing it intentionally to manufacture drama for NBC is tinfoil hat stuff.  Bad officiating is bad officiating. 

 

I know they had to spend a ton of time killing penalties but when you're only goal is a fluke bounce off the back of a goalie's head, it's hard to win games.   And the Kings game winner came on an awful play by Emmerton, completely letting Kopitar go free while also wiping out Ericsson. 

 

I really can't fault the refs on calls that look bad but we have the benefit of instant replay.  As someone who officiates hockey, a lot of these calls are made in the moment.  Mistakes are made in the course of every game.  The issue here is that if the call goes for the Wings, everyone says we will take it.  If a call goes against the Wings, everyone berates the refs no matter what the call it.  It could be a clear cut and dry obstruction or interference call, and it would still be called "weak" or "horrible" by some people.

 

The only way to make the system better is by changing the system.  There isn't a single referee out there that is going to call a perfect game on a consistent basis.  So changing the system is the only option, and one the NHL has experimented with.  Such as putting one ref on a chair in the scorers table that is elevated above the boards to watch the play.  From that birdseye view, referee calls were much more consistent, but the NHL didn't make the change.

 

Even through all that, the fans will still be the most critical of the refs, especially for calls against their team.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 06:36 PM

I really can't fault the refs on calls that look bad but we have the benefit of instant replay.  As someone who officiates hockey, a lot of these calls are made in the moment.  Mistakes are made in the course of every game.  The issue here is that if the call goes for the Wings, everyone says we will take it.  If a call goes against the Wings, everyone berates the refs no matter what the call it.  It could be a clear cut and dry obstruction or interference call, and it would still be called "weak" or "horrible" by some people.

 

The only way to make the system better is by changing the system.  There isn't a single referee out there that is going to call a perfect game on a consistent basis.  So changing the system is the only option, and one the NHL has experimented with.  Such as putting one ref on a chair in the scorers table that is elevated above the boards to watch the play.  From that birdseye view, referee calls were much more consistent, but the NHL didn't make the change.

 

Even through all that, the fans will still be the most critical of the refs, especially for calls against their team.

I know what you're saying.  The Kings are my second favorite team so if the Wings are going to lose to anyone, it might as well be them in my book.  So I was watching from a fairly balanced perspective.  I see a lot of both teams games. 

 

And I don't disagree really except for the only way being to change the system.  Because under mostly the same conditions the quality of officiating has gone noticeably down the last few years.  No one is really ever going to be happy with refs, but there used to be guys like McCreary who knew how to manage a game.  The quality and competence of the officials seems to have gone down.  Linesmen included.  In all my years of watching hockey I can't remember noticing linesman in a negative way as much as I have the last couple seasons. 

 

One of my biggest complaints about officiating, and what seemed to happen on the Datsyuk faceoff penalty, is when the ref 10 feet away is looking right at a play and doesn't call a penalty but the ref all the way out at center ice somehow thinks he has a better look at it and does make a call. 



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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:08 PM

I know what you're saying.  The Kings are my second favorite team so if the Wings are going to lose to anyone, it might as well be them in my book.  So I was watching from a fairly balanced perspective.  I see a lot of both teams games. 

 

And I don't disagree really except for the only way being to change the system.  Because under mostly the same conditions the quality of officiating has gone noticeably down the last few years.  No one is really ever going to be happy with refs, but there used to be guys like McCreary who knew how to manage a game.  The quality and competence of the officials seems to have gone down.  Linesmen included.  In all my years of watching hockey I can't remember noticing linesman in a negative way as much as I have the last couple seasons. 

 

One of my biggest complaints about officiating, and what seemed to happen on the Datsyuk faceoff penalty, is when the ref 10 feet away is looking right at a play and doesn't call a penalty but the ref all the way out at center ice somehow thinks he has a better look at it and does make a call. 

Man I miss having Bill as a ref. he was as good as it got. Frazer was really good as well. kept waiting for some player to skate by and mess up his hair......lol



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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:02 AM

That faceoff violation penalty against Datsyuk to put the Kings on a 5 on 3 was a joke.  Stupid call costs the Wings the game.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:06 AM

You don't come around these boards much do you? Thats a main topic around here is the lazy passes and breakouts

lol no not that much but enough to know that its often overlooked by some that this is a big problem that effects the whole flow of the game for the Wings. I am just not convinced that "getting healthy" will make much difference at all. 



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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:09 AM

lol no not that much but enough to know that its often overlooked by some that this is a big problem that effects the whole flow of the game for the Wings. I am just not convinced that "getting healthy" will make much difference at all. 

 

That doesn't make a lick of sense.



Man I miss having Bill as a ref. he was as good as it got. Frazer was really good as well. kept waiting for some player to skate by and mess up his hair......lol

 

McCreary was great. Fraser? Well, Gilmour and the Maple Leafs faithful would disagree with you there.



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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:15 AM

That doesn't make a lick of sense.



 

McCreary was great. Fraser? Well, Gilmour and the Maple Leafs faithful would disagree with you there.

The point is some have been blaming the defense play on injuries. They are almost back to healthy and I am not seeing a lot of improvement. 



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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:35 AM

The point is some have been blaming the defense play on injuries. They are almost back to healthy and I am not seeing a lot of improvement. 

 

Please, watch the game vs. LA and the game vs. SJS, then go back and watch the first 10 games of the season again, please



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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:29 AM

That doesn't make a lick of sense.



 

McCreary was great. Fraser? Well, Gilmour and the Maple Leafs faithful would disagree with you there.

Over the course of a career as long as Fraser's there's going to be some awful calls (or missed calls in this case).  I know Leafs fans would never think so but overall Fraser was a good ref.  Certainly better than anyone out there now. 







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