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[evilmrt]

 

Babcock has lost his mind. Though Malik speculates as to the reason this is going on and makes some interesting points, but still. 

 

CRAZY. 

 

That is pretty DAMNED WEIRD BABS

[LeftWinger]

Yup take away the streak and the rivalry significance and we got a point from the best team in the league, not bad. Still a bummer. As for the trades giving up Fleishmann for Lang kinda comes with the territory. If you're a win now franchise sometimes you make sacrifices that don't turn out well. Lang was leading the league in scoring at the time and played quite well for us (even with his nack of floating and looking lazy out there). Yeah he wasn't a superstar but it's not like Fleischmann is an elite player. Upper tier 2nd liner but nothing special, not even Robert Lang status yet. Mathias I don't understand. The guy had a 2 goal first game and everyone lost their **** but since then he has done absolutely nothing. He might even be out of the league soon. Franzen over Hossa was dumb, Quincy trade was terrible.


Actually I just remembered Green was in that Lang deal too. Okay that trade kinda sucked. Hidesight is 20/20.
 

Green was drafted by Washington with the draft pick we gave them....technically he was part of the deal, but not really when the trade was made....

[T.Low]

Tatar should have gone to the shootout instead of Zetterberg.

 

 

[LeftWinger]

if its true what Babcock said, then he should be fired....flat out fired.  Cleary and Abby playing like shiit while Tatar is scoring from a 3rd line role and he hasn't even considered it? Won't consider it? So, he refuses to experiment to better his team? That sounds like grounds for termination to me.  Calling Larionov, Calling Larionov, you have a telephone call at the front desk....

 

I like Abby, he could possibly stay there with Dats and Tatar, but having him and Cleary there makes no sense at all... Is Cleary Babs son-in-law or something? *** lover? I'm just saying...

[Playmaker]

Abby just can't really do anything this year. It's kinda sad and he's been given plenty of chances. Abby just can't score.

 

Overall a good game and solid effort today minus those two penalties at the end.

 

Would have been nice to break the Hawks record but oh well.

 

The Blackhawks on the otherhand right now as much as we/I hate them they are looking good and are for real.

For me, it's not just about scoring.  There's no valid reason he can't skate with the effort that Helm does.  There's no reason he can't be checking, hitting, dropping the gloves on occasion, making some good defensive plays, etc.  Ditto for Cleary and Franzen.  While I wish Helm would cash in more on his chances, you can't fault his effort and what he contributes to the team.

[joesuffP]

It makes sense to have depth down the line up. when Flippula, Bertuzzi, Samuelsson and Helm get back we are going to have a serious log jam. Andersson and Tatar deserve to be in the line up sending them both to Grand Rapids while having Abdelkader and Cleary dressed make us a worse team.... Please make a trade holland

[HelmFan]

Lets give Miller a shot with Datsyuk. He's coming off of a career year last year and can score some of those Homer-esque dirty goals.

Before laughing consider that he scored 14 goals last year, equal to or greater than Bertuzzi,Cleary, and Samuelsson.

Nobody can say with certianty that he'd be any worse than Abdelkader, whose only hockey attribute is "6'1 220 pounds"

But Babcock only cares about size, so this will never happen.

If he was a manager in corporate America, he would get sued for discriminating against the small guys.

[esteef]

... Is Cleary Babs son-in-law or something? *** lover? I'm just saying...

 

*** is on the swear catcher list?  That's ***!

 

esteef

[St. Michael (the Red Wing)]

For me, it's not just about scoring.  There's no valid reason he can't skate with the effort that Helm does.  There's no reason he can't be checking, hitting, dropping the gloves on occasion, making some good defensive plays, etc.  Ditto for Cleary and Franzen.  While I wish Helm would cash in more on his chances, you can't fault his effort and what he contributes to the team.

 

Yes I understand that scoring isn't everything but when you are teamed up with Dats arguably the best player in the league and can't get anything going offensively? Shame. I know Abby is giving it his all but he has nothing to show for it. 1 point in 22 games isn't good enough more like pathetic. I know Abby's not a scorer but he's getting top 6 minutes. I have nothing against Abby but guys need to step it up. Tatar, Ericsson, Lashoff and some others have stepped up big time. Time for Abby to step it up.

Edited by St. Michael (the Red Wing), 03 March 2013 - 07:15 PM.

[Number19]

Green was drafted by Washington with the draft pick we gave them....technically he was part of the deal, but not really when the trade was made....

Oh I see.

[LeftWinger]

Abby does not suck, he just isn't top 6.  He has his 4th line role and he does a great job at it.  I am baffled at Babcock and want to know what he is drinking because he needs to be locked up for CUI.

 

It will not hurt to try Tatar with Datsyuk for a couple of games....WTF?!?!

 

I am going to quote myself from earlier:

 

 

Posted Today, 01:58 PM

 

So, so far pretty entertaining despite the shot discrepancy...

 

A few things that have annoyed me:

 

Crowd at the Joe acting like uninformed jackasses? Yes...Boo Hossa? Uh, he wanted to stay here, he said he'd take a discount, your GM chose Franzen over him...no need to boo, but go ahead, entertain yourelf while looking like baffoons...

 

Uh, Jimmy is making some nice stops but he STILL CANNOT CONTROL A REBOUND! It's gonna bite him soon!

 

If I were Dastyuk, I would leave now.  I like Abby, but he doesn't belong on that line. Cleary doesn't belong period.  Datsyuk has nobody to help him on that line....Do something about it Babcock.

 

Only thing I have to say about Franzine is he needs to bury that shot from the Brunner pass.  He needs to be aggressive on the puck and he wasn't.  He seems to be playing in his lazy mode today...

 

Despite the great play by Jimmy, he still seems to have trouble with the rebound...it's gonna kill us sooner or later!

 

Datsyuk is being wasted with those linemates....Babcock refuses to change it. Fire him.

 

Franzia is Franzia...useless crap. He brings down Z and Brunner nearly as much as Cleary brings down Dats.

[Number19]

if its true what Babcock said, then he should be fired....flat out fired.  Cleary and Abby playing like shiit while Tatar is scoring from a 3rd line role and he hasn't even considered it? Won't consider it? So, he refuses to experiment to better his team? That sounds like grounds for termination to me.  Calling Larionov, Calling Larionov, you have a telephone call at the front desk....

 

I like Abby, he could possibly stay there with Dats and Tatar, but having him and Cleary there makes no sense at all... Is Cleary Babs son-in-law or something? *** lover? I'm just saying...

Oh man Larionov would be an awesome coach. At least as an offensive assistant kind of guy. I've got a feeling our PP would see a big improvement with the professor. But he's got a pretty cushy job in the front office for the KHL and being a high profile player agent.

Edited by Number19, 03 March 2013 - 07:23 PM.

[wings_fanatic]

There is no doubt that Mike Babcock has done a masterful job with this team this season. Losing Nick Lidstrom and Brad Stuart (And rafi the year before) is a HUGE loss. To top that off, the Red Wings have had over 110 man games lost due to injuries, which is UNREAL! Yet, Babcock has not only kept the Wings in the playoff picture, but they are a couple points out of 4th place! In doing so, he has sort of reformed the way the Red Wings play this season, and it is very evident these past few games. The defense are getting far better at moving the puck, there is more shot blocking than ever. There is no doubt that Mike Babcock is doing a damn good job despite losing key players in the offseason and the many we have lost due to injury.

 

Now, in saying that, he needs to give up on playing Cleary and Abdelkator with Pavel Datsyuk. It isn't working. Not only are they not scoring goals, but they are making stupid plays to give the puck away after Pavs works hard to get possession of it. Given Fil and Bert not playing, I can live with 1 of Cleary and Abdelkator playing with Pavs, but not both! While Hank has Brunner AND Franzen (tho lazy) playing with him, Pavel has NO ONE playing with him. With that said, I would expect Fil to be back either Tuesday or Thursday, which will help a lot. But until then, Tatar needs to play with Pavel.

[Bully76]

I missed part of the game, but did eddie olczyk really go an entire wings game without bitching about the springy end boards implying that the wings are somehow cheaters because of this? nice job.

[Nightfall]

I understand that but the point is teams play differently now days when they know they have a secured point as opposed to 'going for it' in the last 5 mins of regulation time like they did back in the early 80's, back then teams went for the win, they didnt rag it the last 5 mins as much as teams do it in todays NHL. 

If all games were worth 3 points now (regulation win =3 pts) dont you think more teams would play harder in the last 5 mins of a game to get ALL the points? it would defiantly change the strategy of todays games just like it was a different approach in the pre-1983 era.

 

Sorry, I disagree.  Teams back then didn't go for the win either.  Points were key.  If you lost in OT, you lost the extra point.  I saw many games before the shootout came about where the teams just protected the point they got.  Its not like every team went for the win, because if they did, then there wouldn't have been as many ties as there was before the shootout.

[LeftWinger]

I missed part of the game, but did eddie olczyk really go an entire wings game without bitching about the springy end boards implying that the wings are somehow cheaters because of this? nice job.

 

I think maybe he heard himself back when he talked about Yakapov....he must have realized he sounded like a d0uche bag....

Edited by LeftWinger, 03 March 2013 - 07:49 PM.

[Nightfall]

Despite the great play by Jimmy, he still seems to have trouble with the rebound...it's gonna kill us sooner or later!

 

Every goaltender gives up rebounds.

[esteef]

Every goaltender gives up rebounds.

 

Fascinating.  Tell us more.

 

esteef

[Lazerbeam]

Sorry, I disagree.  Teams back then didn't go for the win either.  Points were key.  If you lost in OT, you lost the extra point.  I saw many games before the shootout came about where the teams just protected the point they got.  Its not like every team went for the win, because if they did, then there wouldn't have been as many ties as there was before the shootout.

Congratulations, just how many games did you watch back from the 1970's through the 1980's?? I am talking about teams GOING FOR IT before there was OT and also BEFORE they started giving points for just making it to OT.

Alot of teams take very few, if any, chances in the last 5 mins of regulation. Now, since they play for the SURE point, is why they MUST change the point system to 3 points for a regulation win, not only for better hockey in the last 5 mins of a game but also its proportionate! how the MORONIC Board of Governors came up with this current point system without thinking it through is beyond bush league!

Edited by Lazerbeam, 03 March 2013 - 08:09 PM.

[Playmaker]

Yes I understand that scoring isn't everything but when you are teamed up with Dats arguably the best player in the league and can't get anything going offensively? Shame. I know Abby is giving it his all but he has nothing to show for it. 1 point in 22 games isn't good enough more like pathetic. I know Abby's not a scorer but he's getting top 6 minutes. I have nothing against Abby but guys need to step it up. Tatar, Ericsson, Lashoff and some others have stepped up big time. Time for Abby to step it up.

I agree totally.  He should be scoring.  What I'm saying is I wouldn't be so frustrated with him if he was doing the other things.  He's been a huge disappointment to me the past few seasons.  It's pretty much been dowhill since his debut in the playoffs.