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#21 evilmrt

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 06:23 PM

What about: 

 

Dan Cleary - Danny Cleary - Danny boy

Cleary - Danny C - Daniel Cleary

Ol' Danny Cleary - Clears - Danny

Dan C - #11 - Danny "All heart" Cleary

 

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:03 PM

upcoming free agent PFs

Iginla
Perry
Getzlaf
Jagr
Morrow
Penner
Antropov
Horton
Clowe
Clarkson
Knuble
Bickell
Anthony Stewart



Cleary
Meech
Lilja
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In all honesty, as much as I would love a couple of those names here, Holland has proven he is not interested in those types of players because he still believe Franzina circa 2008 is going to come back....and he still thinks Bert is a power forward when healthy...

 

We already had Knuble in the pre-season, could have had Jagr a couple of times already and he already passed on Stewart through the waiver wire...I'd take Morrow for the bottom six with Helm and Tootoo though...but Holland wouldn't.  I like our kids, Bert and Sammy need to be bought out.  Trade Franzina for a draft pick and then try to add another forward via UFA

 

Tatar - Dastyuk - Filppula

Brunner - Zetterberg - Nyquist

Morrow - Helm - Tootoo

Abby - Emmerton - Andersson

Eaves/Miller

 

I think that putting Tatar with Dats and putting Nyquist as another setup guy with Z and Brunner would be heads and tails better than what we have now.  Putting someone like Morrow on with Helm and Tootoo would make that 3rd line a ***** to play against and they can also get about 30 goals between them...

 

I would love Perry here, but I don't even think Morrow will happen, let alone Perry. I think we will be stuck with Franzia, Bert and Sammy next year as well...


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:19 PM

What about: 

 

Dan Cleary - Danny Cleary - Danny boy

Cleary - Danny C - Daniel Cleary

Ol' Danny Cleary - Clears - Danny

Dan C - #11 - Danny "All heart" Cleary

if we could have dats center thoes lines just  imagine the amount of space that would be created for him


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:25 PM

if we could have dats center thoes lines just  imagine the amount of space that would be created for him

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:25 PM

This Dan Cleary stuff is making my eyes water!!! He is SO bad as a top line winger. He looked awful today. He and Abdelkader are in need of demotions. Pavs needs better linemates.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:41 PM

I would like Clowe on the Wings next season. IMO he can bring what Bert has brought the last few years in terms of size, and players like him don't hit free agency often. I wouldn't want to give him more than 3 years (his production has decreased) but he would give the Wings a big body in the top-6 that doesn't mind getting his nose dirty. This becomes more important if that Wings do move east next season.



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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:43 PM

 
Shows you how there aren't any good power forwards anymore. Only true power forwards there are Iginla and Clowe.  Others aren't power forwards or are washed up (Morrow).  
 
When I think power forward, I think of Howe, Tocchet or Shanahan.  Guy who can score, hit and fight.  

wow.... do you watch hockey? Perry isn't a power forward? Clarkson? Horton? All are big physical tough forwards......



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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:47 PM

Get used to this lineup, minus Tatar and Andersson because Holland is not going to get Morrow, Clowe, Perry or anyone.  Bertuzzi and Sammy being healthy will be the acquisitions and they are both still under contract next season.  He won't buy out anyone.  He proved that he doesn't want those type of players by not claiming Stewart off waivers...he seems to think that when all healthy, he has himself a Stanley Cup winning team... Not only is Babcock guilty of CUI, Holland is guilty of MUI...they are both borderline CWI and MWI....


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:47 PM

Perry is definitely a power forward and more so than Clowe in my opinion.



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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:51 PM

I think they've needed a couple of power forwards for about 4 years and it hasn't happened yet. I guess Kenny Holland thinks Franzen is one. Sadly, I think he's mistaken. Not that I'm comfortable with bashing Holland after all the great teams he's put on the ice. This just seems to be a case where he's not on the right track at all. The wings desperately need power guys.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:51 PM

I agree. He would be the score of the off-season...that being said, he won't be here.  Holland still has all his eggs in the Franzia basket. Joanie Franzia, OUR Power Forward!


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:57 PM

The trick of course is how? We can throw out names untill we are blue in the face, but what do we give up to get them? Do we really want to wait untill the offseason and hope some top UFA's come here? if we do wait, then we are what, throwing away this year? Is just making the PO's enough?

 

Now as for what to move, we have enough pieces to make a decent checking line without Helm. he could move up and play wing for Z-once healthy, and thus free up Nyquist to be moved. I really don't want to move draft picks. In fact I would like to pick up some more. We might be in a 2 trade situation to get what we want.



Get used to this lineup, minus Tatar and Andersson because Holland is not going to get Morrow, Clowe, Perry or anyone.  Bertuzzi and Sammy being healthy will be the acquisitions and they are both still under contract next season.  He won't buy out anyone.  He proved that he doesn't want those type of players by not claiming Stewart off waivers...he seems to think that when all healthy, he has himself a Stanley Cup winning team... Not only is Babcock guilty of CUI, Holland is guilty of MUI...they are both borderline CWI and MWI....

You are assuming that Holland doesn't retire. Which could happen, with Nil taking over. I have no idea of what he wants in players. I think we are safe to assume that babcock wants some more beef and toughness. Everytime he is asked a question he talks about being harder to play against, more pressure on the other teams D, forechecking etc........



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Posted 03 March 2013 - 08:57 PM

wow.... do you watch hockey? Perry isn't a power forward? Clarkson? Horton? All are big physical tough forwards......

 

Perry is a puss.  I forgot Clarkson but said so in a later post.  

 

Horton?  He's alright.  Seems to be a good fit in Boston.  


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:04 PM

Perry is a puss.  

 

I'll take that as a joke otherwise LOLOL. Maybe Tatar is a better power forward.



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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:10 PM

The trick of course is how? We can throw out names untill we are blue in the face, but what do we give up to get them? Do we really want to wait untill the offseason and hope some top UFA's come here? if we do wait, then we are what, throwing away this year? Is just making the PO's enough?

 

Now as for what to move, we have enough pieces to make a decent checking line without Helm. he could move up and play wing for Z-once healthy, and thus free up Nyquist to be moved. I really don't want to move draft picks. In fact I would like to pick up some more. We might be in a 2 trade situation to get what we want.



You are assuming that Holland doesn't retire. Which could happen, with Nil taking over. I have no idea of what he wants in players. I think we are safe to assume that babcock wants some more beef and toughness. Everytime he is asked a question he talks about being harder to play against, more pressure on the other teams D, forechecking etc........


Well then you would assume that Holland would go after a player like Perry or Penner or Morrow or even Anthony Stewart...but he passed on him on waivers, so does he really want to get harder to play against or does he just want the same team?  Bertuzzi  and Sammy are not hard to play against.  Cleary makes it easy for my 9 year old to play against him and Abby is not a top 6 player.  Sure, Babs makes he lines, but Holland controls the team.  He has to see the problems here.  I give/gave him TONS of credit for Tootoo and almost signing Suter.  But to always say he wants to get bigger and tougher to play against and then keeps the likes of Cleary and Franzia on this team, is baffling... He has to know he made a mistake by keeping Franzia over Hossa, he will never admit it, but he needs to fix it.  He isn't getting Hossa back, but he can stop the bleeding by letting go of him for something...if nobody wants him, waive him.  You are not loosing anything by not having him on this team.  It's sad that Holland took that risk on him and lost, but he is no longer the player we had in 2009.  Cut your loss and get rid of him.  Right now Tatar and Brunner are outplaying him and out-hustling him. Hell Tootoo plays better than he does. If you must keep him, put him on the 3rd line.

 

Bottom line, if Holland wants to get harder to play against, cut ties with Bert, Sammy, Cleary, Franzen.  Instruct Babcock to either change the lines up or get fired... I know coaches coach and GM's, well, GM. But Holland runs the risk of losing Datsyuk after next season and making him play with players the likes of Cleary and Abby will make him leave skid marks out of the Joe when he does leave...if you want Datsyuk to stay longer, you have to get him players that are going to win and that are going to highlight his skills...and that still isn't a guarantee he stays.  Keep him playing with bottom 6er's and he will bolt for sure...That will be entirely Babs doing and Holland's fault if he doesn't fix it.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:36 PM

I don't understand the cleary+abs situation either but seriously, ease up on the panic buttons.
Babcock is not an idiot and if he's doing something that we don't understand I'm gonna go ahead and say that there's probably a good motive. Wasn't long ago that everyone was bagging on Holland and Babs for the defense that you're all now praising.

 
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:49 PM

We should get Ryan Callahan from New York. I'm going to keep spreading this around until it's true.



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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:52 PM


Well then you would assume that Holland would go after a player like Perry or Penner or Morrow or even Anthony Stewart...but he passed on him on waivers, so does he really want to get harder to play against or does he just want the same team?  Bertuzzi  and Sammy are not hard to play against.  Cleary makes it easy for my 9 year old to play against him and Abby is not a top 6 player.  Sure, Babs makes he lines, but Holland controls the team.  He has to see the problems here.  I give/gave him TONS of credit for Tootoo and almost signing Suter.  But to always say he wants to get bigger and tougher to play against and then keeps the likes of Cleary and Franzia on this team, is baffling... He has to know he made a mistake by keeping Franzia over Hossa, he will never admit it, but he needs to fix it.  He isn't getting Hossa back, but he can stop the bleeding by letting go of him for something...if nobody wants him, waive him.  You are not loosing anything by not having him on this team.  It's sad that Holland took that risk on him and lost, but he is no longer the player we had in 2009.  Cut your loss and get rid of him.  Right now Tatar and Brunner are outplaying him and out-hustling him. Hell Tootoo plays better than he does. If you must keep him, put him on the 3rd line.

 

Bottom line, if Holland wants to get harder to play against, cut ties with Bert, Sammy, Cleary, Franzen.  Instruct Babcock to either change the lines up or get fired... I know coaches coach and GM's, well, GM. But Holland runs the risk of losing Datsyuk after next season and making him play with players the likes of Cleary and Abby will make him leave skid marks out of the Joe when he does leave...if you want Datsyuk to stay longer, you have to get him players that are going to win and that are going to highlight his skills...and that still isn't a guarantee he stays.  Keep him playing with bottom 6er's and he will bolt for sure...That will be entirely Babs doing and Holland's fault if he doesn't fix it.

I have posted before that I wonder if babs and Holland are 100% in agreement. There does seem to be a difference of opinion here, but both are smart enough not to slam the other-in public anyway.

As for wondering WWHD (what will holland do), we can only guess. We have seen some changes over the past few years. he is drafting bigger guys finally. he has also largely stopped trading draft picks. Both of which are good things.

 

BTW, wasn't Perry one of the league leaders in fighting majors the year he scored 50 goals? if that isn't a power forward, I don't know what is.



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Posted 03 March 2013 - 10:28 PM

I'll take that as a joke otherwise LOLOL. Maybe Tatar is a better power forward.

 
Look at the first page if you want my definition of a "power forward" in a traditional sense.
 
Don't know where I mentioned Tatar's name. 

I have posted before that I wonder if babs and Holland are 100% in agreement. There does seem to be a difference of opinion here, but both are smart enough not to slam the other-in public anyway.
As for wondering WWHD (what will holland do), we can only guess. We have seen some changes over the past few years. he is drafting bigger guys finally. he has also largely stopped trading draft picks. Both of which are good things.
 
BTW, wasn't Perry one of the league leaders in fighting majors the year he scored 50 goals? if that isn't a power forward, I don't know what is.

 
Hell no!

4 or 5 fights (against guys like Datsyuk), hardly makes one a league leader in fighting majors.
 
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 10:30 PM

Ah, the usual LGW fantasy topic. Look this is your possibilities for power forward. Franzen, Bertuzzi, Anderson, Abdelkader, Sheahan. In that order. Whatching today's game makes me realize they don't really need too much more. They are a good team.


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