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#41 Johnz96

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:40 PM

BTW, just came accross a guess for the cost to sign Clarkson this summer. 4.5 million. Only .5 million more than Franzen. Who is overpaid now?

If O'Reilly got 5.5 I doubt Clarkson will only get 4.5



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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:43 PM

Franzen is so cool.
 

 

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:46 PM

Byfuglien can be our new whipping boy :scared:  
 
Edit:   Sorry wrong thread


Who filled in?  I forget

Flip Mostly but Cleary had a shot as did Abdelkader

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 08:50 AM

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Sammy is one of the streakiest players ever, but he never gets accused of floating... at least not that I've heard. Seems unfair to be hating on Franzen.

 We're usually always on the same page, but I think after the performance Franzen put on the past couple games, he could be mistaken for a float on parade.  He was beyond terrible the past couple games floating around even more than usual, not being "hard on the puck" as the announcers ripped him for many times last game.  Dude's just lazy.  He got set up by Brunner in the slot and took the pansiest shot i've ever seen.  The only thing he's done well since he came back from injury is the one time he slowly drove the net and got a half decent shot off.  Other than that he's been pretty much the announcers jogging (can't even call it running when talking Franzen) joke.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 11:18 AM

 We're usually always on the same page, but I think after the performance Franzen put on the past couple games, he could be mistaken for a float on parade.  He was beyond terrible the past couple games floating around even more than usual, not being "hard on the puck" as the announcers ripped him for many times last game.  Dude's just lazy.  He got set up by Brunner in the slot and took the pansiest shot i've ever seen.  The only thing he's done well since he came back from injury is the one time he slowly drove the net and got a half decent shot off.  Other than that he's been pretty much the announcers jogging (can't even call it running when talking Franzen) joke.


He doesnt hit. Emmerton hits. Datsyuk hits. Tatar and Andersson hit. No one should be exempt from this in today's NHL except 100 point or 50 goal scorers. Wings are getting back to being tough to play against. Franzen doesnt fit that description right now. He's a teddy bear.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:43 PM

Franzia is well deverved of his whipping boy status, by his own admittance that he gets bored in the NHL and doesn't give 100% all the time...

 

Also, the author is wrong about how he got his nickname.  He was called the Mule because it was so hard to move him from in front of the net. (When he was younger and didn't get his serious contract yet.) It had absolutely nothing to do with his work ethic on the ice. A mule is unmovable and stubborn and cannot be pushed down once it stands it ground. That is what Franzia was prior to his contract signing. That is why he was name the Mule. The author needs to get the facts correct before he writes his gibberish.  That was a quote directly from Steve Yzerman himself in describing why he called him the Mule along with a tongue in cheek shot at his huge front teeth which makes him resemble one as well...

 

I also like how the author refers to him being one of only two players to score 5 goals in a game...that may be true, but he omitted the fact that he scored those 5 goals and then didn't score again for 2 months, and I think only 4 more the rest of the season...

 

Then he ends up with a challenge, if you have the guts post your comments below. Well I certainly have the guts, but do not conform to social media controlling what I post since you are required to have a waste-of-facebook account, which I do not, I cannot comment.  I would certainly invite him here to debate with us because I can guarantee 75% of our users have more hockey knowledge than he does...

 

 

Franzia is well deverved of his whipping boy status, by his own admittance that he gets bored in the NHL and doesn't give 100% all the time...

 

No.  He said that he gets bored, not that he doesn't give 100%.

 

If you have followed the Franzen saga since he was a rookie you would understand that his problem is in his confidence.  There have been several articles written about how he is extremely shy and lacks confidence.  It seems that his confidence comes and goes.  When it is low, he plays passively.  Of course this makes him a candidate for the LGW whipping boy of the month, though Cleary seems to be moving up the ranks...


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:35 PM

He doesnt hit. Emmerton hits. Datsyuk hits. Tatar and Andersson hit. No one should be exempt from this in today's NHL except 100 point or 50 goal scorers. Wings are getting back to being tough to play against. Franzen doesnt fit that description right now. He's a teddy bear.

This is just so untrue.  He's actually been pretty physical.  Example #1: Feruary highlights, 0:04 of video.



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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:48 PM

This is just so untrue.  He's actually been pretty physical.  Example #1: Feruary highlights, 0:04 of video.


So you found his one hit this year. That should be a twice a game occurrence for a 6'3" 230 1st liner. Not a once a year deal. Id be happy if he only scored 15 goals and 30 pts BUT threw his weight around like that EVERY game.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:00 PM

If you could put Tootoo's work ethic and hard nosed play, in Franzen's body and skill set or vice versa, what a true power forward you would have!


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:11 PM

He was floating in Chicago, but he also just got back from being injured. Before his injury, I thought he looked decent. People are just pissed off because he isn't scoring goals, but he still had 9 points through 12 games. He's played on a line with two guys who are in the top 25 players for SOG.

Give the guy a few games to adjust from the injury, and if he's still floating and doing crap all, then ok... but before the injury he looked fine to me, especially at under 4 million.



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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:35 PM

What does he need time for, it is not like it is a 20 year old Tyler Sequin who needs to grow up and act like and adult, this is a player who for years has played just like this.

 

This was always my argument with people about Mule. I always hear if you take 4 months from last season and three months from this season he has great stats.

 

Which while sometimes true, is never over the course of one whole season, he is injury prone(not in the sense that he misses games, but always has an ailment to prevent him from being 100% according to LGW) and is, shall we say, less than interested from time to time.

 

The man has spurts of fantastic play, or is invisible, never anywhere in between.

 

Scores 5 goals one game and then nothing for months.

 

To me this is not a recent play issue with Mule, this is not just a last few months thing, this has been Mule since he joined the Wings.

If he scored a point in every other game that would be great but his .58 ppg is based on unbelievably streaky play.

 

He has had three great playoff runs, other than that he has been very inconsistent.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:41 PM

He has had three great playoff runs, other than that he has been very inconsistent.

 

The playoffs is what a lot of money of a contract are based upon.  Franzen is a clutch player that has delivered a cup for us in 2008 and helped us to the finals in 2009.  For what he gets paid, he more than earns his contract.  I could see the hate if Franzen was making $6 million a season.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:06 PM

Why is it that he should play to his cap hit?

 

The contract length was also earned by his performance, so getting a 11 year deal means he never has to play for a contract again.

And he is being paid $5.25 this year, 5.00 for the next 3 years, 3.5 for a year, 2.0 for a year and then 1 mil  for the last 2 years.

He will most likely not finish this contract, because in 7 years he will be 40.

 

This year he is being paid 5.25 million dollars, not the 3.9 cap hit, when he is actually getting paid 3.5 million then I will expect him to play like a 3mil player.

 

I assume you don't have the same expectations of Franzen when he is making 1 mil a year at age 39 as you would at age 33 and being paid 5.25 mil, I know I don't.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:27 PM

The playoffs is what a lot of money of a contract are based upon.  Franzen is a clutch player that has delivered a cup for us in 2008 and helped us to the finals in 2009.  For what he gets paid, he more than earns his contract.  I could see the hate if Franzen was making $6 million a season.

 

Last I checked it was Z with the MVP and Osgood's 9 straight wins that delivered us the Cup....if you want to say he helped deliver us the Cup then I agree.  He did the same thing the next season, almost...but then he signed the "serious deal."  He is no longer clutch....at all, by far. I echo the sentiments, why is it ok to play down to his contract? If he is so clutch, and so capable of delivering us a Cup, he should be outplaying his contract.  Besides when he signed, he took a "discount" to stay here, if he is earning his contract then where is the discount?


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:30 PM

The playoffs is what a lot of money of a contract are based upon.  Franzen is a clutch player that has delivered a cup for us in 2008 and helped us to the finals in 2009.  For what he gets paid, he more than earns his contract.  I could see the hate if Franzen was making $6 million a season.

 

But if a player doesn't appear to be playing hard, he doesn't earn what he's paid.  No matter how small the sum.  

 

Yeah, his numbers seem worthy for that contract, but it looks bad to have a guy floating so often.  Doesn't set a good example for the other players either.  Hard work breeds hard work in teammates.  Franzen breeds laziness.  


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:39 PM

Why is it that he should play to his cap hit?

 

The contract length was also earned by his performance, so getting a 11 year deal means he never has to play for a contract again.

And he is being paid $5.25 this year, 5.00 for the next 3 years, 3.5 for a year, 2.0 for a year and then 1 mil  for the last 2 years.

He will most likely not finish this contract, because in 7 years he will be 40.

 

This year he is being paid 5.25 million dollars, not the 3.9 cap hit, when he is actually getting paid 3.5 million then I will expect him to play like a 3mil player.

 

I assume you don't have the same expectations of Franzen when he is making 1 mil a year at age 39 as you would at age 33 and being paid 5.25 mil, I know I don't.

 

If we are going to compare pay to pay, then Hossa is getting paid over his cap hit as well.  Just saying....

 

The Franzen haters are going to be just that....haters.  Really nothing I can say that will change their minds.  From my perspective, he is what he is.  A $3.9 million dollar cap hit player that led the team in goals the last two years in a row. 



Last I checked it was Z with the MVP and Osgood's 9 straight wins that delivered us the Cup....if you want to say he helped deliver us the Cup then I agree.  He did the same thing the next season, almost...but then he signed the "serious deal."  He is no longer clutch....at all, by far. I echo the sentiments, why is it ok to play down to his contract? If he is so clutch, and so capable of delivering us a Cup, he should be outplaying his contract.  Besides when he signed, he took a "discount" to stay here, if he is earning his contract then where is the discount?

 

Franzen also spent 6 games injured and scored just as many goals as Z did in 22 games that season.  Not saying that Z didn't deserve the MVP, but if Franzen wasn't injured, it could have went to him.  I will edit my statement and say he helped deliver us the cup, because no one player "delivers the cup".  Thanks for the point out on that.


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#57 Johnz96

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:05 PM

So you found his one hit this year. That should be a twice a game occurrence for a 6'3" 230 1st liner. Not a once a year deal. Id be happy if he only scored 15 goals and 30 pts BUT threw his weight around like that EVERY game.

He actually is credited with 20 hits, 5th amongst Wings' forwards and more than Corey Perry and some other 'power' forwards people are suggesting we should acquire



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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:52 PM

I don't understand why so many continue to think a 4 milion per year cap hit is a good deal. It isn't. Add in that we have the same cap hit from him for 7 more seasons after this one YUCK! He is also 33 now, mening he is leaving his prime. He is only going to get worse from here. He is on a sub 20 G pace over a 82 game season. The numbers will continue to deline and the so will the games played.

I have even tken heat over franzen on this very forum. I have said more than once that every year he has a 3 week stretch where he is the best player in the game, then nothing the rest of the time. That has always been the case with Franzen. Flashes of brillence, then nothing but darkness-and not the good kind either........



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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:59 PM

...bottom line, he took a "discount" to stay here...he is playing like a $2.5M player...where is the discount?


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 07:02 PM

Just watching him float is frustrating.  But, when you take into account the investment put forth by the Wings (Ilitches) and his size, it is beyond frustrating.  Our last two captains haven't really had to be that vociferous but maybe Hank needs to do some calling out.  Babs won't bench any top money guys.







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