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#21 GMRwings1983

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:52 PM

$3 million.  
 
$1 million bonus for each playoff series that he wins this season.   :g:  

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 01:44 PM

 This.  Goalies are so inconsistent in the NHL.  I wouldn't want to handcuff the team by giving a goalie much more, if any more than 4 million.  look at Bryzgablob.  he's making over 6 mil to be the worst starter in the NHL.  I'm not saying in any way that Howard will follow suit, but he should get something like 4 years 16 mil.  I look at it this way too, players have to do their best to play 82 games.  starting goalies get and average of 55 games.  If i was a GM, i may bring this up if a goalie tries to hard ball me.

 

don't look at bryz's contract to see the wors one in the nhl, look at dipietro lol




If that's his pricetag no thanks, he not worth that much. I think 5 years at 4 would be the maximum I  would do (given he is playing well till the end of the season), otherwise 3,5 for 4. Howard isn't a bad goalie but without Lidström and for him to command such a high salary it will be neccessary for him, to show more than flashes of brilliance.

 

 

 

Luongo has won a gold medal, has goaltended his team into the Stanley Cup Finals, Fleury has a cup same goes for Ward so these three are better than him. At this point I even think Bryzgalov is better right now, he is just getting exposed by the Flyers run and gun system.

 

Fleury and ward are quite questionable to be better then howie, and bryz is not better IMO

 

 

 

4-5 Million for 2-4 years would be fair. The most overpaid Goalies in League are Ward, Bryzgalov, Luongo and Fleury. I think Howard is slightly better than them.

 

Dipietro lol



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Posted 07 March 2013 - 01:46 PM

I wouldn't pay him more than 3.5m

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 03:58 PM

Howard will and should get 4.5 to 5 million for 5 or 6 years. Putting in a 20/21 year old in net is a sure fire way to lose 50 games per year. he isn't ready. As for Golaies being over rated, please! What would the Preds be without Renni? How far would have the Kings got last year without Quick. G is the most important defensive player on the ice.

many RW fans have a skewed idea about G's because we had Nicky here for 20+ years to cover up for average ones. Now we don't, and the chances of finding another one anythime soon isn't very good. I could go on about Miller carrying the sabers for years, or Thomas winning the SC for Boston, but most of you know that. You are just blindly believing a myth.



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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:09 PM

Howard will and should get 4.5 to 5 million for 5 or 6 years. Putting in a 20/21 year old in net is a sure fire way to lose 50 games per year. he isn't ready. As for Golaies being over rated, please! What would the Preds be without Renni? How far would have the Kings got last year without Quick. G is the most important defensive player on the ice.

many RW fans have a skewed idea about G's because we had Nicky here for 20+ years to cover up for average ones. Now we don't, and the chances of finding another one anythime soon isn't very good. I could go on about Miller carrying the sabers for years, or Thomas winning the SC for Boston, but most of you know that. You are just blindly believing a myth.

 

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:19 PM

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:38 PM

it will take more than 3 million to keep howard theres no good ufa goalies out there for us to replace him with and mrazek needs more time to develop

 

as long as its not a long term deal id be happy with someone like 4-4.5 per year  x3 yrs



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Posted 07 March 2013 - 05:09 PM

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 06:12 PM

Luongo has won a gold medal, has goaltended his team into the Stanley Cup Finals, Fleury has a cup same goes for Ward so these three are better than him. At this point I even think Bryzgalov is better right now, he is just getting exposed by the Flyers run and gun system.

 

So what ? Does earning a title in a team sport make you better than those who haven't ? It may be but its far from mandatory. Take a look at Fleurys stats for example. They are just awful for a team with this rooster and standing. Luongo is exeptional one season, the other he is average at best, e.g. inconsistent as hell. Nothing you wan't on any position save from a goalie. You may have a point with Brzy though. 

 

Dipietro lol

You forget : He is the most overpaid Goalie in the AHL. :D


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 07:00 PM

I have a feeling he's going to get somewhere around 4-4.5 million for 3 years. Right around that time, Mrazek should be pushing him and we'll be able to see if he's a legitimate starting goaltender. At least, that's my hope.



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Posted 07 March 2013 - 10:17 PM

I don't have a good guess for the amount but it wouldn't surprise me if it jumps up significantly in value after the first couple years to try and avoid escrow, and that Holland locks him up for the max 8 years.

Jimmy may not be considered elite, but he can be a great value goaltender. Good enough to win the Cup but with a low enough cap hit that Holland can spend money elsewhere on the team.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:20 PM

don't look at bryz's contract to see the wors one in the nhl, look at dipietro lol



 

Fleury and ward are quite questionable to be better then howie, and bryz is not better IMO

 

 

 

 

Dipietro lol

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:13 AM

So what ? Does earning a title in a team sport make you better than those who haven't ? It may be but its far from mandatory. Take a look at Fleurys stats for example. They are just awful for a team with this rooster and standing. Luongo is exeptional one season, the other he is average at best, e.g. inconsistent as hell. Nothing you wan't on any position save from a goalie. You may have a point with Brzy though. 

 

You forget : He is the most overpaid Goalie in the AHL. :D

 

 

now he is lmao, at the start of the season he was still on the nhl roster lol

 

He didn't kill himself?  He's still a goalie?  Man, i thought he was an ice girl for the Panthers, or he was joining the Flint Tropics or something like that.  They both suck.

Either way, most overpaid ice girl. I would have no problem being the laughing stock of the nhl and ahl for the money he gets lol



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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:15 AM

Niemi money. He would've been worth around 4.5 if he didn't allow that game 4 Klein goal and was a FA after last season.


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Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:44 AM

Luongo has won a gold medal, has goaltended his team into the Stanley Cup Finals, Fleury has a cup same goes for Ward so these three are better than him. At this point I even think Bryzgalov is better right now, he is just getting exposed by the Flyers run and gun system.

 

You obviously don't get to watch the pens at all.  Fleury is bad, and they better hope Vokoun is able to pull it together, or their going to be dissapointed in the playoffs each soft goal the flower lets in.  He got pulled yet again last night, he has to be the most frequently pulled goalie in the whole leauge.



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Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:59 AM

Fleury had a couple of decent years and one great one. Typical NHL goalie, which is why you don't give long term contracts. I'm not as much concerned with what Howard will make as I am how long the term is. There is no benefit to locking players up for life. It's okay to renegotiate contracts every few years. You may get a steal going long term, but you're more likely to be saddled with a bum a few years out.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 11:29 AM

Wow, I didn't realize how fast Quick became a star. He's in his last year of the contract at $1.8M--what a steal. I see he's getting $5.8M next year, but he's definitely the most underrated goalie in terms of salary for this year.

 

Most overrated has got to be Cam Ward. He's 30th in GAA with 2.84. $6.3M for that is not right. Lehtonen's 2014 contract of $5.8M seems steep too. 

 

I would sign Howie for 3 years for $3.75M to $4.25M. He's substantially progressed IMO from 2010-11 (2.79 GAA whew!). It's pretty cool we drafted him (64th in 2003) and he's a homegrown guy (and an American). Plus, the dude's hardly ever hurt--has averaged 61 games/season (which is basically a full season since a backup should play 15-20 games). 


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Posted 08 March 2013 - 03:08 PM

If you think Howard will not get at least 4.5 your kidding yourself. He has saved the Wings on so many nights that its not funny. No he's not elite but he is above average. 3.5 would be an insult.



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Posted 08 March 2013 - 03:29 PM

4-5 million. 

 

3-5 years. 

 

 

They may get creative on the length of term to lower the cap hit.   Howard is a fixture in the Wings next for no less than 5 years.



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Posted 08 March 2013 - 03:53 PM

This is almost impossible for me to answer.  If pressed, I would have to say that Howard's open market value is about $4.5 to $5.25 million.  Nobody around the NHL really considers him elite, but then again, outside of Pekka Rinne and a few others (Lundquist?) who are the elite goaltenders?  It seems like such a fleeting thing given the state of the game nowadays.  Guys like Luongo and Kiprusoff who were the "elite" in 2004 have remained great goalies since then, but have sort of slipped into a "2nd tier" status.  I don't really look at ANY goalie (Rinne, Quick, etc.) and feel like they'll be considered among the best in the game for a decade or more, as we had with Brodeur, Roy, and Belfour in the 90's. 

 

Wings have gotten lucky with Howard not just in the reasonable size of his cap hit, but in that he hasn't demanded that gigantic long-term deal yet.  I think that Howard has enough of a track record where he's "earned" a 5 to 8-year deal now, but I still can't say I'd be all that comfortable with that.  I am a fan of Howard, though, so I do want him resigned.  I'd love a $4 to $5 million AAC for 4 years, but realistically, I assume he'll get longer.



Fleury had a couple of decent years and one great one. Typical NHL goalie, which is why you don't give long term contracts. I'm not as much concerned with what Howard will make as I am how long the term is. There is no benefit to locking players up for life. It's okay to renegotiate contracts every few years. You may get a steal going long term, but you're more likely to be saddled with a bum a few years out.

This is exactly towards my point.  It's not that Fleury or Ward are "bad" goalies now, it's just that it's so easy go from "solid goalie" to "Stanley Cup Champion/elite netmider" and then back again, that you really can't commit long-term to goaltenders and expect to get your money's worth.

 

That being said, the debacle that is Rick DiPietro is a extreme example (and no longer even possible).  More often, the long-term deals end up like Luongo or Nicklas Backstrom, where the guy plays well, but perhaps you come to regret the money a bit later on when it comes time to improve other parts of your team.







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